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LIBERTARIAN CANDIDATE SPITS IN FACE OF TALK SHOW HOST ON THE AIR
DFU listening to KABC in Los Angeles | 9-8-02 | Doug from Upland

Posted on 09/08/2002 9:22:43 PM PDT by doug from upland

The evening started innocently enough for Brian Whitman, Sunday evening talk show host on KABC in Los Angeles.

He had on his show four minor candidates running for governor of California. Three were on the phone and the fourth, Libertarian candidate Gary Copeland, was in studio.

The conversation eventually turned to illegal immigration. Copeland did not like Whitman's position and called him a racist. Although Whitman kept trying to answer, Copeland kept talking over him and would not let him speak.

Just as Whitman puts callers in "timeout" on his show when they won't let him have his say, he told the engineer to cut off Copeland's microphone. Copeland became incensed and started packing his things to leave the studio.

Then, in great FReeper tradition, Whitman told Copeland not to let the door hit his ass on the way out. He also called Copeland a lunatic.

Then the rain came. Copeland walked over to Whitman and spit in his face. Whitman couldn't believe it. Two others on the KABC staff couldn't believe it.

Whitman had the station call the police and is considering filing assault charges.

Poor Copeland. He may no longer be the Libertarian candidate for governor. An official high ranking representative of the party called in to Whitman and told him that Copeland would be receiving no more backing and they were going to see what they could do to take him off the ballot.

Now that was classic talk radio. The unbelievable happened. A candidate for governor actually showed himself to be a bigger jackass than Gray Davis. Davis has spit on the law but never on Whitman, at least not yet. Brian, get him in studio.


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KEYWORDS: crybaby; jerk; libertarian; spitter
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To: Impeach the Boy
...and at least he doesn't run an illegal fruadulent "Law School" in Texas, like the LP canidate for Chief Justice of the Texas Supreme Court.

And at least he isn't a "sex care provider" like the prostitute they once ran for Lieutenant Governor of California.

301 posted on 09/09/2002 12:55:52 PM PDT by Roscoe
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To: Roscoe
In fairness to the nice LP folk here at FR, and there are a number of them, not all LP members are kooks...but for some reason the third parties in general seem find many loose screw types among their ranks.
302 posted on 09/09/2002 12:59:09 PM PDT by Moby Grape
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To: ThomasJefferson
California: Fraud Judgment stuns Simon

Until Simon began running for governor last year, he was actively involved in the business.

But he didn't spit on anybody.

303 posted on 09/09/2002 1:04:52 PM PDT by malakhi
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To: Impeach the Boy
In fairness to the nice LP folk here at FR,

CUT IT OUT! YOU WANT TO BE FAIR? I THINK YOU MAY FIND YOURSELF AT CROSS PURPOSES TO THE GUY YOU ARE ADDRESSING AND HIS ILK.

and there are a number of them, not all LP members are kooks...but for some reason the third parties in general seem find many loose screw types among their ranks.

Generalities are how these people operate. It's what this whole thread is about.

If all the so called kooks are totaled up, the two major parties have the large lead.

304 posted on 09/09/2002 1:05:34 PM PDT by Protagoras
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To: r9etb
Lord but you are dense. -- States have delegated powers to 'regulate', [not prohibit] the public use & possession of dangerous 'property' [guns, drugs, etc] within the constitutional bounds of due process, for one. 'Reasonable' regulatory laws are up to the people of the state.

BUT, -- as per the new CA 'law' prohibiting 'assault weapons'; -- when states violate basic individual rights, they can be stopped by the force of the constitution. GET IT? - 278

Why, yes I do. One thing I "get" is that you apparently answered the question by saying that Rick Stanley's arrest and conviction was appropriate.

No, I did not 'apparently' say that. He, in effect, was denied a proper trial.

But then we get down to this one: "when states violate basic individual rights, they can be stopped by the force of the constitution."
Stopped by the force of the Constitution? Well, I suppose an appeal to a piece of paper would work for people who are predisposed to adhere to the Constitution on its own merits. But this is precisely where your theoreticals run afoul of your practicals. When people disagree about something like gun control, "the force of the Constitution" is nothing more or less than a group of people with guns. If the Supreme Court rules that the CA law passes muster, then Californians must follow the law or suffer the consequences We could put it another way and say that California must repeal the law or face an armed revolt. We know that the former will probably happen; and that the revolt will not occur because most people a) don't care; or b) agree with the law; or c) don't want to fight a war. Any way you slice it, the consent of the governed lies on the side of the gun controllers.

Quite the little soap box speech. -- In which, you in affect say give up, - because majority rules, -- "the consent of the governed lies on the side of the gun controllers" -- Nope, I don't think you 'get it' at all, poor devil.

This brings us back to the original question of what the LP would do about laws it doesn't like, but which have the support of those who live under them.

You choose to think this is strictly a 'libertarian' problem, in the face of all rationality. Get a grip on reality.

305 posted on 09/09/2002 1:06:29 PM PDT by tpaine
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To: tpaine
States have delegated powers to 'regulate', [not prohibit]

If you think that repeating the sourceless, citeless nonsense endlessly will make it true, then you're spitting in the wind.

306 posted on 09/09/2002 1:09:28 PM PDT by Roscoe
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To: Roscoe
Look in the mirror roscoe, for one who 'repeats nonsense', - endlessly.
307 posted on 09/09/2002 1:14:01 PM PDT by tpaine
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To: A CA Guy
I find Libertarians to be very Clinton like (extreem liberals) in the moral areas. When they are not worshiping their illegal drug god, they are suggesting to do things with our laws that would cause anarchy throughout society.

You realize the drug war was started by a socialist and that Bill Clinton spent more money on the drug war by far than any other president. Besides the 'conservatives' drug of choice-alcohol and tobacco-- kill more people than all illicit drugs by far and cause FAR more economic costs to society than all illicit drugs. As for 'anarchy', it would be basically what we had ~1800 in terms of laws. I dont think our FF considered their world anarchy.

308 posted on 09/09/2002 1:50:59 PM PDT by rb22982
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To: tpaine
People have got to figure that a group/sect of folks who mostly go by the names of dead patriots have got to be odd to begin with.
309 posted on 09/09/2002 2:16:16 PM PDT by A CA Guy
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To: ThomasJefferson
Most have no desire to read a self-aggrandizing bunch of bunk. Had eight years of Clinton and that was enough!
We just all read your post and the posts of the rest of the Libertarian sect and draw our conclusions.
310 posted on 09/09/2002 2:25:31 PM PDT by A CA Guy
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To: Roscoe
Germ warfare is another tool og the Libertarian, so true! LOL
311 posted on 09/09/2002 2:30:55 PM PDT by A CA Guy
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To: r9etb
"...shall not be infringed" does not specify who may not infringe, so it would surely appear to be a blanket statement covering EVERY LEVEL of government. Unlike "Congress shall make no law..." which is much more specific as to who is being constrained. So, yes, a community or a state may not pass a victim disarmament statute any more than FedGov may. They are all unconstitutional and thus should be voided.
312 posted on 09/09/2002 2:30:57 PM PDT by dcwusmc
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To: rb22982
As for 'anarchy', it would be basically what we had ~1800 in terms of laws.

Back when sodomy, prostitution and even blasphemy were violations of the Common Law?

313 posted on 09/09/2002 2:32:10 PM PDT by Roscoe
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To: rb22982
There are laws against illegal drugs. Stop the illegal drugs and enforcement will not be needed.
We won't stop enforcing drug laws because criminals want their drugs.
314 posted on 09/09/2002 2:32:24 PM PDT by A CA Guy
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To: A CA Guy
I need not try to defend my statement in this one post. I would simply ask any lurkers to read the threads by them. The amoral thoughts of illegal drug worshiping Libertarians will blow-you-away!
280 - A CA Guy
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I need not try to defend my statements on this one post.
I would simply ask any lurkers to read the threads by the anti constitutionalists here at FR.
The amoral thoughts of illegal law worshiping 'states rights' FReaks will blow-you-away! - tpaine
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People have got to figure that a group/sect of folks who mostly go by the names of dead patriots have got to be odd to begin with. CAguy
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Yep, -- People have got to figure that a anti-constitutinal group/sect of folks who mostly go by cultist nick-names have got to be odd to begin with.

315 posted on 09/09/2002 2:34:05 PM PDT by tpaine
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To: dcwusmc
"...shall not be infringed" does not specify who may not infringe, so it would surely appear to be a blanket statement covering EVERY LEVEL of government.

Wrong again.

"But it is universally understood, it is a part of the history of the day, that the great revolution which established the constitution of the United States, was not effected without immense opposition. Serious fears were extensively entertained that those powers which the patriot statesmen, who then watched over the interests of our country, deemed essential to union, and to the attainment of those invaluable objects for which union was sought, might be exercised in a manner dangerous to liberty. In almost every convention by which the constitution was adopted, amendments to guard against the abuse of power were recommended. These amendments demanded security against the apprehended encroachments of the general government--not against those of the local governments." -- Barron v. Baltimore 7 Pet. 243 (1833)

"The Second Amendment declares that it shall not be infringed, but this, as has been seen, means no more than that it shall not be infringed by Congress." -- US Supreme Court, U.S. v. Cruikshank, 92 U.S. 542 (1875), Presser v. State of Illinois, 116 U.S. 252 (1886)


316 posted on 09/09/2002 2:36:32 PM PDT by Roscoe
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To: Roscoe
You just used facts, don't you know using facts can start name calling?
317 posted on 09/09/2002 2:42:47 PM PDT by A CA Guy
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To: Roscoe
"As for 'anarchy', it would be basically what we had ~1800 in terms of laws."

Back when sodomy, prostitution and even blasphemy were violations of the Common Law? roscoe-pap
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Back in the 1800's we had what came to be called the 'Victorian compromise'. Many states & localities had such unconstitutional laws, but they were roundly ignored in the red light districts. Hypocrisy was rampant.
Still is in Roscoeville.
318 posted on 09/09/2002 2:44:36 PM PDT by tpaine
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To: Roscoe; A CA Guy
Roscoe-guys want their unconstitutional laws, -- Why?

Because they are fundamentalist fanatics. Weird blue nosed people.
319 posted on 09/09/2002 2:49:19 PM PDT by tpaine
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To: Roscoe
Repetitive roscoe-pap.
320 posted on 09/09/2002 2:51:35 PM PDT by tpaine
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