LIBERTARIAN CANDIDATE SPITS IN FACE OF TALK SHOW HOST ON THE AIR

DFU listening to KABC in Los Angeles | 9-8-02 | Doug from Upland

[SJC_Libertarian]

He may well be, though I understand that he did finally offer an apology of sorts. But from my viewpoint, he is "libertarian" only in his own mind. Gary Copeland's understanding of the Libertarian idea is nearly as distorted as Roscoe's seems to be. No offense to Roscoe; he at least does not claim to be a libertarian.

[Roscoe]

"The fact that the debtor contracted to perform the labor which is sought to be compelled does not withdraw the attempted enforcement from the condemnation of the statute. The full intent of the constitutional provision could be defeated with obvious facility if, through the guise of contracts under which advances had been made, debtors could be held to compulsory service."

But surely, if we are speaking of a contract for a particular service of some sort for which payment has been made, the payor is entitled to performance of that service.

A swing and a miss.

http://laws.lp.findlaw.com/getcase/us/219/219.html

[Roscoe]

Gary Copeland's understanding of the Libertarian idea is nearly as distorted as Roscoe's seems to be.

I'm exposing, you're distorting.

[SJC_Libertarian]

Libertarian doctrine runs counter to the protections of our Constitution's 13th Amendment, and would permit slavery to be re-established under the guise of contract.

More redundancy. How many times have you said that? I lost count.

question begging

I still don't get it, Roscoe. I offered you a starting point. Do you require specific citations? I'll see what I can do next time I visit.

[ChadGore]

This is what happens when a libertarian doesn't get his huka hit in the morning.

[A CA Guy]

I take it you are a thoughtful Libertarian. To be honest with you, we have a bunch of whack jobs on FR that claim to be Libertarian and very well could be. They seem to live on the drug issue and love taking the names of dead ex-patriots.
I have no objection to discussion, but much of what has run across here by the ones I've read seem to border on anarchy.

It's like, here's my favorite vice!

Not claiming this is you, I don't know you, but I respectfully tell you that is how MANY Libertarians come off here as they post.

[SJC_Libertarian]

A swing and a miss.

Was that supposed to be an answer to my questions? But thanks for the (rather lengthy) citation. I have printed it out and I will read it.

[SJC_Libertarian]

Not claiming this is you, I don't know you, but I respectfully tell you that is how MANY Libertarians come off here as they post.

I understand and agree. There are a good many who poorly understand the underlying principles, but spout off freely. The same may be said of most socialists (read: dupes) and also (unfortunately) not a few republicans.

I assure you that I do not "live on the drug issue", but it can be illustrative of some important underlying principles, to an audience that is at least neutral.

[Roscoe]

Election Connection

September 21, 2002 Posted: 06:35:07 AM PDT

Libertarian candidate's spit leads to spat

A rule of thumb in campaign season is that a party's Election Day success depends on who tops its slate of candidates.

Libertarians, then, would seem to be in a world of hurt.

Earlier this week, the party axed its gubernatorial nominee, Gary David Copeland of Orange County, because he spat on a radio host following an on-air argument over driver's licenses for undocumented immigrants.

Libertarians running for valley seats said Friday they were saddened by the turn of events.

"Gary Copeland has been a defender of freedom and liberty a lot longer than he's been spitting at people," said Patrick Lee McHargue of Sonora, a Libertarian candidate for the 19th Congressional District.

McHargue said he disagreed with party leaders' decision to rescind the endorsement of Copeland. The Libertarian e-mail network, he added, has been buzzing over the incident.

"He's not expendable. We need to make allowances for people's foibles," McHargue said, adding that Copeland apologized for the incident.

David Eaton of Merced, a Libertarian running for the 12th Senate District, said, "We're all disappointed that he couldn't contain himself. But we still believe someone like that is better than a statist."

Valley Libertarians faced long odds well before Copeland's troubles. In the March primary, Eaton, McHargue and Linda DeGroat of Modesto, a candidate for the 18th Congressional District, received less than 800 votes among them.

Meanwhile, a recording of what's being billed as "the spit heard round the world," is available at http://www.brianwhitman.com/.