New mapping drops Biscuit fire below half-million-acre mark (Oregon still burning)

Oregon Live/AP ^ | 30 August 2002 | Jeff Barnard

[LurkerNoMore!]

You guys are terrific. Thanks for the updates!

[lobo59]

I recieved the site ourforests.org from an email. The thieves of our resources and heritage are going ballistic.

Check out the page http://ourforests.org/partners.html
to get a list of the enemies of our rural lifestyle and economy.

This week I was down in the Toolbox fire area. I took some pictures of old growth healthy forest. The old growth is mature and dying as shown by the flat and rounded tops of the ponderosa pines. The stumps left by selective logging show up too. There is good bitterbrush brouse on the mule deer winter range here among the trees. Of course the mature trees have reseeded the area and there is an upcoming future natural resource of healthy timber. A little thinning or wood cutting to thin the trees in some places could help but logging would also produce some thinning as a by product.

I intended to get pictures of the Winter Rim burn of 1966 to illustrate the changes since that fire. No good, the tool box fire burned through that too.

I did get some pictures of an old burn in Crooked Creek area. A good part of that fire has never been reforested. I know of plantings in the 1950's and 1960's. Brick does not allow much plant growth. My grandfather hauled supplies to the fire crews there in a model T. The point being that even with the lack of modern equipment and such the fire was not nearly as large as the toolbox fire. But it was in one of the natural forest tinderboxes so worshipped by the druidic delusionals of the green fantasy group.


The tool box fire took out much of the deers winter range. Maybe it will not be a big deal to the enviros and maybe the herds have been killed of so there will not be a need for range. The wild plum thickets and bitterbrush are gone. Anyway destruction were terrible and the erosion and loss to ranchers and wildlife will last for a long time. The good is that it did provide some local jobs and economic boost in theshort term. The payout comes through taxes so we will expect loss of needed services such as schools or increased taxes to make it up.

There used to be a small mill in Paisley, but that died long ago as the timber cutting was ended. The forests are there but the jobs do not exist anymore. Mills in Bly and Lakeview are just footnotes in history today. The wacko enviros are not even producing sustainable poverty in our state as advocated by the UN, only poverty and misery for rural families.

Praise the enviro terrorists. Oregon is learning who is responsible for Oregons highest in the nation unemployment and highest hunger in the nation.

[glock rocks]

I guarantee you can keep them gainfully employee year round

sadly, true.

[Archie Bunker on steroids]

Today's figures still show the fire under half a mill - even though the fire jumped the line in several places yesterday. I guess those will be counted as something else.

The liberals are already planning to use the environment as the 2002/4 battleground - its easy to get an emotional response from the intellectually vulnerable dems. The economy/enviro will be the 1- 2 punch. I can't turn on PBS, or the news without some hit piece related to the environment - the stage is being set.

Bush should show how the nutty enviro policies of the last 8 years has contributed to some of the economic downturn. I think this will be easy to counter- real people have been driven off their land for the watermelons. Even soccer moms will have trouble putting an owl over a farmer.

[Grampa Dave]

Naah, a liberal soccer mom in Portland, Ashland or the Bay Area in Kali would pick an owl or a sucker fish over farmers any day. She, also, feels that you and I shouldn't be driving our SUV's and pickups as she loads her kids into her new Lincoln Navigator with the retrackable running boads, opening real door and retrackable rear seats with push of her remote control buttons.

I think that you are right about the election 2002-04. After the November elections, the phoney enviral Bravo Sierra will become the issue with the lying lefties.

The economy in Oregon and its relationship to the job destroying Watermelons needs to be brought daily in Oregon by Oregonians. We should run ads that tree huggers have resulted in Oregon having more people go hungry on a % basis than anyother state, which goes along with the highest unemployment rate.

Children go to bed hungry in Oregon at night due to the Tree huggers and root suckers of Oregon.

[Grampa Dave]

Thanks for the site, and the ONRC and others are going ballistic and have their propaganda out in full force re the Biscuit Fire and the other fires in Oregon.

Thanks for posting your personal experiences and observations re the sad reality of what the Green Enviro's have done to our forests!

[Archie Bunker on steroids]

Where is Ashland? Around these parts, we call it Assland for obvious reasons.

Do you think we should go FREEP "Burning Man" this year?

The emotion driven tripe related to the environment (along with the junk science that always accompanys it) can be countered. We've got fire, unemployment, uprooted families etc.

[Archie Bunker on steroids]

I got a chance to witness Tool Box first hand w/ crown burns. Will be back in the area in two weeks to see what it looks like now. The Lava fire is still burning in the region.

[wanderin]

Welcome back to Grants Pass SE!

This blanket of smoke seems to have settled in, even on breezy days it stays. The smoke that is easy to see a change in is the dense billow of smoke from the active burning is down along the mountains to the N/NW finally.

[Grampa Dave]

These machines are too effective for the Green Enviralist in the Floristry Circus of Clowns.

I can imagine a gang of these Fire Tracks working with a couple of the Russian water bombers, some D9 Cats and some really big helicopters with big water buckers under the control of someone who wants to stop that fire in its tracks not try to contain it.

Of course the fire worshiping wing of the Green Devils, Fire Ecologists of the Floristry Service would have to be put in charge of counting paper clips until they retire.

[wanderin]

I am betting the 199 and other roads will be closed a lot this winter due to mud slides. On a good winter, mud slides keep it (199) closed for weeks while they stabilize and haul the dirt out.

[wanderin]

I will get some pictures as soon as they open up the roads of the burned out areas and also when the rains get here.

[Grampa Dave]

I had planned to go the Smith River for the winter Steelhead season and fish there and on the Chetco and back on the Smith on my way home.

I do not want to be on 199 with even a little rain. Can you imagine what it and those roads on the upper Chetco will be like after one of those little Oregon storms that drop 12 inches of rain in that area in 12 hours?

Also, if you are downstream on the banks of an Oregon or N. Kali River and a flash flood/mud slide comes roaring down at 10 miles per hour or faster, you could become part of the fertilizer chain really quick.

Thanks for volunteering to take pictures after the burn and during the rainy season. The envirals would love it if everyone forgot about the impacts after the fire to the humans living down hill of the burnt areas.

[Grampa Dave]

I love it.

We should have one for our neighborhood. I can just hear the Green Nazi Nannies whining now, when I fired that sucker up to widen the fire prevention lanes around our cul de sac.

[Grampa Dave]

Re Burning Man, we should lease a few of these to clear out the trash at that meeting:

We could take turns driving them. I would want to put some strong detergent in with the water to really cleanse the environment.

[Grampa Dave]

Okay from now on I will refer to it as:

A$$LAND!

[Archie Bunker on steroids]

I can only imagine that what the burning man nuts leave behind is the worst thing the environment could ever experience. Human stench that can never be pressure cleaned out of the earth. I think even coyotes avoid the area now.

[blackie]

Yes !!

Stop the attacks on our Freedoms by the wacko, extreme left-wing, lunatic fringe, dirt worshipping Green Jihadist, enviro-nazis terrorist's and their toadies in the media !!

Freedom Is Worth Fighting For !!

Molon Labe !!

FMCDH !!

F.I.R.E. !!

[Granof8]

From today's Curry Coastal Pilot

WINDS PUSH BISCUIT FLAMES OVER LINE

Published: August 31, 2002

By Bill Lundquist

Pilot Staff Writer

Chetco Effect weather conditions pushed the Biscuit Fire Wednesday afternoon over a contingency fire line near Tolman Ranch, but no structures were lost.

Alaska Incident Management Team Information Officer Bill Beebe said crews were moved back and helicopters dropped water.

Mike Frazier, with the U.S. Forest Service, said the area around Tolman Ranch has been cleared and protected, so there should be no danger to structures.

Due to the increased fire activity, the estimated containment date has been moved to Sept. 6.

In North Curry County, the fire was so quiet that Sheriff Kent Owens lifted pre-evacuation advisories for Agness, Illahe and Oak Flat, effective as of 6 a.m. Thursday.

The pre-evacuation notice for the upper Pistol River basin remained in effect.

As of Friday, the Biscuit Fire was 499,780 acres in size and 90 percent contained.

The reduction in size was due to a reassessment of computer mapping.

According to the Biscuit Fire Joint Information Center, the fire was expected to be fully contained by Saturday, but that has been delayed by low humidity and gusty winds.

Fire line construction was slowed and lines changed when winds created spot fires, so 14 miles of line still remain to be built.

The fire has so far cost $117.7 million to fight. The firefighting effort is now down to 3,144 people.

Zone 4-North Curry County

Spot fires on Wednesday were contained. The few remaining hot spots were concentrated in drainage bottoms.

From Sugarloaf Mountain south through Meadow Creek, hoses were laid along the fire line and crews doused hot spots and mopped up with water.

Fire activity from Sugarloaf Meadow south to Raspberry Mountain was moderate on Thursday.

Officials said burning would continue in the interior of the fire, but was not expected to present a threat.

The Quosatana campground will be closed through the holiday, but its boat ramp, along with those at Lobster Creek and Foster Bar, will be open.

Zone 3-South Curry County

A spot fire north of Mineral Hill was contained. The section of fire along the south fork of the Chetco River from Swede Heaven to Red Mountain Creek showed some heat.

The rest of the southern section of the zone remained cool, with mop-up operations and rehabilitation progressing well.

Zone 2-California

Rehabilitation continued under a Type III incident management team from the Six Rivers National Forest.

Zone 1-Illinois Valley

New personnel rotated in to patrol the fire line and continue the rehabilitation work.

Bear Camp Road remained closed as mop-up operations and patrols continued.

All other roads in the zone also remained closed while crews used heavy equipment to remove hazardous trees and rehabilitate firelines.

[Sir_Ed]

Thanks, wanderin'! I loved Eagle Point, but driving to Grants Pass every day really got old, and besides, my heart has always been in JoCo, not Jackson County!

Ed