Simon;"The GLOVES ARE OFF!"

Simon for governor campaign ^ | 08/29/02 | Bill Simon

[runningbear]

Gray Davis continues to distort the truth and make false accusations against me, and ENOUGH IS ENOUGH!

The GLOVES ARE OFF!

Simonforgovernor.com

We have unveiled a new ad that strikes at the core of Davis’ Pay-to-Play antics in the Governor’s office. The ad, titled “This Whole Thing Stinks,” highlights Davis’ willingness to sell even our children’s health to the highest bidder.

“This Whole Thing Stinks”

A Gray Davis board stopped a big oil company, Tosco, from dumping more dioxin into our water.

But, the very next day, Tosco gave more than $50,000 to Davis’s campaign.

The Davis board quickly reversed itself…

…and allowed Tosco to increase cancer- causing dioxin dumping… 400%.

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Sincerely,

P.S. PLEASE HELP ME remind Californians that Gray Davis has used his office to raise millions of dollars at the expense of the citizens of our state.

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[Amerigomag]

Regardless of the outcome of the election and regardless of how poorly Simon has campaigned thus far, we will all remember one aspect of the campaign.

The egray.com spoof.

The first time I heard it this morning I almost drove off the road I was laughing so hard.

[hoot2]

"Bill Simon's going to win this election and a lot of naysayers are going to be eating crow. "

so you think i should stock up on catsup?
the only way simon can win is if the electricity is shut off state wide...
tv withdrawl/rage would be the demise of senor dufuss...

[Tony in Hawaii]

"Anyway, it's communication communication communication."

Exactly, exactly, exactly.

[Political Junkie Too]

I've seen this ad a couple of times already. It's not really about the pollution, it's more about Davis taking money. I hope this is meant to build on a theme -- Davis' "pay to play" governorship. It was cute when it was about computer software, but now it's also about poisoning the water. The Left pounces on Bush for not implementing miniscule reductions in arsenic in water in areas with small populations and arsenic/water content already so small that it's way under existing government regs., and yet ignore taking money in exchange for poisoning the bay.

Anyway, that's the deeper message. Of course, it will be missed by most TV viewers. It's a start -- now Simon has to build on the theme.

-PJ

[jdontom]

325eye signed up 2002-08-20.

All your base are belong to Davis?

Real constructive post there, Newbie

Please don't waste our time on your non-sense, this is a conservative board, you have a right to disagree with us but you lack Seniority...

[Robert357]

When one participates in a mud slinging contest, gloves help keep ones hands clean.

[AmericanInTokyo]

Simon appears to also be one in a long line of RINO jerks (he just proved it to my satisfaction on homosexual social issues and illegal immigration).

Any words for this 'newbie' on this 'conservative' forum?

[runningbear]

humm, not much on that site, inquiring minds want to know, was it good?....lol.. :o)

[runningbear]

My understanding because Simon is limited in political campaign funds, vs ol Grayout, he has held back the hard hitting punches until this weekend and til Nov. We'll, see if the ads get much talk about via the news hounds. The most effective thing that ol Grayout did in several venues for him to make sure he'll win is pit a pubie against a pubie, and cause discontent and discord within the party. Causing much fiction amongst ourselves. Just like Dan Lundgren, only Dan refused to take on current issues that plagued and continue to do so in California today. It is time to move on and like David Horowitz's writings and speeches to win.

I think if Simon had endless funds like Davis, then we'd see more campaign ads with more punches against Davis and his cohorts. Only we the voters in Ca will cast that decision. My vote goes for change and the Sacramento Dome to change hands to another leadership challenge in bringing Ca back to a better working environment with the businesses and the citizens. Meaning, for the Government to get their stinking hands out of my privacy, and pocket book.

I agree, communication, et el Tom McClintock has been very effective and personable in getting his message across to the people of Calif. Ray Haynes is another fine member of that effectiveness too.

If anything on Simon, he should of been straight up front from the get go. So, some have given him bad advise from the beginning, but he needs to mow ahead, and get with the program, and keep the gloves off and punching. :o)

[Amerigomag]

Sorry to mislead. There is no egray.com. The political add is a spoof on ebay.com

On egray.com all executive branch decisions are up for bid. The highest bidder controls the outcome of the decision.

Several of Davis' recent decisions, delivered just after recieving sizable campaign contributions are presented and hyped as tremendous deals, compared to the old style of the straight bribe, to advertise the auction and enticte more participation.

The add is creative, humorus and effective.

[hchutch]

Your actions, AmericaninTokyo, might have the best of intentions, but good intentions and a quarter will get me today's Washington Times. What I will comment on is the RESULT of such actions, and while I intend no insult, the RESULTS will do far more damage to thew principles you purport to espouse on this forum that Bill Simon ever could.

I will say this right now, for the record: Any effort to go third party or to encourage conservatives to stay home and not vote is objectively pro-Left. We see the recent examples in in Nevada and Washington State, where two third-party candidates siphoned enough votes to keep Harry Reid in office over John Ensign in 1998 - and Harry Reid was the one who pulled James Jeffords into his party switch back in May, 2001. In Washington State, Slade Gorton was defeated by under 2,000 votes, due to a third party.

Would it not have been better to see good federal judges confirmed because the GOP had 52 seats to a 47+1 Democratic caucas? Because that is really what it could have been - but for a few thousand votes. A few thousand people who decided to go on an all-or-nothing approach, and ended up with NOTHING.

Look at the objectives on the about page of this forum, and ask yourself how electing a left-winger helps obtain ANY of them. Objectively, going third party will do little more than elect a left-wing Democrat. We've seen numerous examples - Virginia's U.S. Senate race in 1994, Ross Perot's 1992 campaign, the Senate seats in Nevada (1998) and Washington State (2000). Third-party moves by conservatives, be they the Libertarian Party, the Constitution Party, the Reform Party, or any other party, are little more than feel-good exercises that have done far more harm for conservatives than good. With that track record, how can ANY Freeper say with a straight face, we need to keep trying this option? The last time I checked, "if it feels good, do it" was NOT a value conservatives ever went for.

Maybe the Republican Party is not perfect for conservatives, but I defy ANYONE to present another option that will not dash the hopes we have of achieving our objectives. The Repubican Party might not be perfect, but it is the best shot we have, and has been since 1980.

Dividing conservatives, which the third-party movement is doing, merely invites our defeat in detail by the Left, and in no way will advance the agenda we want enacted. I, personally, will fight any effort to encourage conservatives to go third party with as much force as I can.
With the way the Founding Fathers set up the system, there has to be a LOT of support to make some of the changes we want to make.

Quite frankly, there have been some issues that do have conservatives divided. I openly admit to disagreeing with conservative orthodoxy on immigration, and I am opposed to term limits. However, I am here because on the rest of the issues, I stand four-square with conservatives, and I want to work to get these changes made. The disagreements should be handled with civility, not vitriol, and put aside to get the best people we can into office where we can make progress towards the objectives we have laid out.

We cannot let ourselves be divided, we cannot let ourselves falter because of internecine warfare, and we cannot permit ourselves to fail because some of us decide to go third party in a huff over a disagreement or disappointment. Disagreements and disappointments are part of life, and so we need to take our lumps and move forward.

Those who would divide conservatives, enable the left to conquer and send things further down the road. Our system of government as put in place by the Founding Fathers, does not allow us to stop or turn this country around on a dime, barring overwhelming majorities and control of all three branches of the federal and state governments. We have the turn radius and stopping distance of a supertanker going at full speed, and we need to recognize that.

It is a time to make a choice. Are we here just to feel goof about ourselves, or are we here to work together and make changes? I cannot allow the division to go any further without an effort to stop it. I was angry about what Donnie DiFrancesco did to Bret Schundler in 2001. I was angry about what John Warner did to Ollie North in 1994. And I warn the third-party types that I will be angry if their efforts defeat people like Bill Simon in the future.

I cannot, in good conscience, remain silent about this any longer. Nor can I allow it to continue without stating what the results will be. Intentions will not matter a hill of beans in reaching our objectives, and those who do not support solid conservatives based on one or two issues of disagreement are, despite their good intentions, merely helping the Left dismantle our Republic. And I will fight anyone who is helping the Left do that by encouraging people to bolt to third parties, or by encouraging them to stay home and not vote.

I do not seek to cause an internal fight, but the divisions must stop. We are just over two months from critical elections, and we have to hang together - or the Left will hang us seperately.

That's my opinion, if anyone here cares.

[daviddennis]

Why do you folks care so much about homosexuals?

I like homosexuals. They are good.

Why?

Because I'm a straight male, and heterosexual males are competition. Homosexual men, of course, are not. The more homosexual men there are, the less competition for the women.

And, quite honestly, I need all the lack of competition I can get.

D

PS There are about half as many lesbians as gays, so the formula still looks positive for woman-loving guys.

Also, women value gays as friends, so they don't seem to resent homosexuality, even though it's to their romantic disadvantage. So in the end, everyone gains from homosexuality. Men get less competition, and women gain friends. What could be better?

[Miss Marple]

I care, but those who really need to listen will never pay attention, I'm afraid. Britt Schundler lost because of petulance from the RINO's, and one would think that folks would understand that we ALL need to work together in order to get the democrats out of Congress, or at least reduce their numbers significantly.

The owner of this web site understands this. Apparently there are some who refuse to understand, or who do understand but are actively trying to split conservatives for other purposes.

But your response, hchutch, was a good essay and I appreciate it.

[exmarine]

Disavow the Bill Simon questionnaire returned to the homosexual lobby group Log Cabin Club (with it's sellout positions), a few days ago, and maybe then wallets will be opened up once again.

He cant' disavow it if it's true. It's too late - the cat's out of the bag. He waffled on moral issues, on family issues. Even if he changes his mind and comes back to his senses, he has lost my trust. I find it hilarious that the SF Chronicle called it a shift toward the "center". haha. If that's a shift toward the center, I shudder at the thought of what a shift toward the left would be.

I Matt Fong redux.

[Miss Marple]

LOL! Plus, without them the world would be consumed with tacky taste. Someone has to do interior decoration, you know!

[exmarine]

So in the end, everyone gains from homosexuality. Men get less competition, and women gain friends. What could be better?

Spoken like a true log cabin republican. Excuse me if I don't subscribe to immorality.

[Miss Marple]

One often can make one's point better by demonstrating a SENSE OF HUMOR. Just a thought.

[Mudboy Slim]

Well-stated, my FRiend...but let's bring in DoubleDee to make the case to the contrary. He chose not to vote for Mark Earley as VA Governor, and we ended up with the ol' horsefaced RAT sittin' in the Guv'nah's mansion now. Fortunately, we've got a very GOP legislature in Virginny and I don't see Warner doing much damage legislatively, but it may make Warner a threat in future Senatorial elections.

Personally, I look at every vote as an opportunity to move the agenda to the Right...less Federal control over our daily lives is my immediate goal, and that'll never occur with a majority of folks willing to vote for Tom D'asshole as Majority Leader or Li'l Dick as Speaker!! With the California legislature dominated by Extreme Lefty RATS, helping Simon take over the Governor's office seems a no-brainer so as to counter-balance the krap that emanates from the statehouses.

JMHO...MUD

[PBRSTREETGANG]

Simon;"The GLOVES ARE OFF!"

I'd be more impressed if he removed the panties.

[Mudboy Slim]

"The GLOVES ARE OFF!"

The obvious question here is, "Why the heck were they ever on?!"

Go Simon Go...MUD