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Activists Push Church to Excommunicate Pro-choice Candidate
The Detroit News ^ | August 27, 2002 | Joel Kurth

Posted on 08/27/2002 5:42:56 PM PDT by happytobealive

Edited on 05/07/2004 7:08:57 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

PLYMOUTH TOWNSHIP -- Anti-abortion activists have launched a small but vocal movement to excommunicate pro-choice Attorney General Jennifer Granholm from the Roman Catholic Church.

Since early June, a group of 10-30 protesters have picketed outside of Our Lady of Good Counsel Church in Plymouth Township, where the Democratic nominee for governor is a member. Foes say Granholm is a heretic because she is Catholic yet adamantly pro-choice.


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TOPICS: Activism/Chapters; Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Michigan
KEYWORDS: abortion; catholiclist; counsel; excommunicate; granholm; maida; plymouth; sasu
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To: Notwithstanding; Orual
Fr. Ortman: This has always been my belief, and in it I stand firm. This necessarily means that I am against the sin of taking life by acts of abortion, euthanasia, and capital punishment.

Stupid question: when did capital punishment become a sin?

41 posted on 08/27/2002 7:02:37 PM PDT by dighton
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To: Right To Life
Words...actions to follow?

Now you've done it, I will DEFINITELY make the trip from Chicago this Saturday and protest all the masses.

Greyhound from Chicago round-trip: $60

Southwest from Chicago round-trip: $196 (full fare)

WHO'LL MEET ME IN PLYMOUTH?

42 posted on 08/27/2002 7:02:42 PM PDT by happytobealive
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To: Notwithstanding
2 + 2 = 5
43 posted on 08/27/2002 7:05:09 PM PDT by Chesterbelloc
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To: Chesterbelloc
My posting on Free Republic on the evening of August 27th was ambiguous, and led some to believe that I am believe that 2 + 2 = 5. I am sorry for that misunderstanding.

I believe that 2 + 2 = 4.

Chesterbelloc
44 posted on 08/27/2002 7:07:06 PM PDT by Chesterbelloc
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To: happytobealive
I will be there with my family and will have plenty of friends with me.
45 posted on 08/27/2002 7:07:07 PM PDT by Notwithstanding
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To: Chesterbelloc
Are you going to impose your belief that 2 + 2 = 4 on others?
46 posted on 08/27/2002 7:09:00 PM PDT by happytobealive
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To: happytobealive
Hotlinks to dioceses, Bishops and states
47 posted on 08/27/2002 7:09:05 PM PDT by Salvation
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To: dighton
The Catechsim tells us that capital punishment can be moral, but it warns that modern means of protecting the general population through modern prison systems make it likely that is rarely a moral action.
48 posted on 08/27/2002 7:10:18 PM PDT by Notwithstanding
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To: yooper
Dumb and inexperienced (not to mention pro-abortion totally PC female). What could be finer? Of course she'll be elected.
49 posted on 08/27/2002 7:11:37 PM PDT by livius
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To: happytobealive
From The Catechism of the Catholic Church

1-4 records returned of 4 matching ABORTION .

2271. "Since the first century the Church has affirmed the moral evil of every procured ABORTION.
This teaching has not changed and remains unchangeable.
Direct ABORTION, that is to say, ABORTION willed either as an end or a means, is gravely contrary to the moral law:
You shall not kill the embryo by ABORTION and shall not cause the newborn to perish.[Didache 2, 2: SCh 248, 148; cf. Ep. Barnabae 19, 5: PG 2, 777; Ad Diognetum 5, 6: PG 2, 1173; Tertullian, Apol. 9: PL 1, 319-320.]
God, the Lord of life, has entrusted to men the noble mission of safeguarding life, and men must carry it out in a manner worthy of themselves.
Life must be protected with the utmost care from the moment of conception: ABORTION and infanticide are abominable crimes.[GS 51 # 3.] "
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2272. "Formal cooperation in an ABORTION constitutes a grave offense.
The Church attaches the canonical penalty of excommunication to this crime against human life.
'A person who procures a completed ABORTION incurs excommunication latae sententiae,'[CIC, can. 1398.] 'by the very commission of the offense,'[CIC, can. 1314.] and subject to the conditions provided by Canon Law.[Cf. CIC, cann. 1323-1324.]
The Church does not thereby intend to restrict the scope of mercy.
Rather, she makes clear the gravity of the crime committed, the irreparable harm done to the innocent who is put to death, as well as to the parents and the whole of society."
To view the context, please visit

2274. "Since it must be treated from conception as a person, the embryo must be defended in its integrity, cared for, and healed, as far as possible, like any other human being.
Prenatal diagnosis is morally licit, 'if it respects the life and integrity of the embryo and the human fetus and is directed toward its safe guarding or healing as an individual....
It is gravely opposed to the moral law when this is done with the thought of possibly inducing an ABORTION, depending upon the results: a diagnosis must not be the equivalent of a death sentence.'[CDF, Donum vitae I, 2.]"
To view the context, please visit

2322. "From its conception, the child has the right to life. Direct ABORTION, that is, ABORTION willed as an end or as a means, is a 'criminal' practice (GS 27 # 3), gravely contrary to the moral law. The Church imposes the canonical penalty of excommunication for this crime against human life."To view the context, please visit

50 posted on 08/27/2002 7:12:27 PM PDT by Salvation
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To: dighton
In any event, abortion and captial punishment are not of equal import as societal problems. Abortions happen at a rate that makes one sick when one dwells on it. Capital Punishment almost NEVER occurs, involves a guilty murderer, and can be moral. Whereas abortion occurs every day by the thousands, involves an innocent babe, and is NEVER moral.
51 posted on 08/27/2002 7:13:48 PM PDT by Notwithstanding
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To: .45MAN; 07055; 300winmag; 88keys; ACAC; A.J.Armitage; ACross; afraidfortherepublic; alancarp; ...
FREEPERS CALLED TO ACTION

I will be there with my family and will have plenty of friends with me.

What other FReeper will join Notwithstanding and happytobealive protesting this weekend's masses at the abortion parish?

52 posted on 08/27/2002 7:14:59 PM PDT by happytobealive
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To: Salvation
Oops on that link in #50! Sorry. Here you go!

The Catechism of the Catholic Church

53 posted on 08/27/2002 7:15:23 PM PDT by Salvation
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To: happytobealive
Now you've done it, I will DEFINITELY make the trip from Chicago this Saturday and protest all the masses.

Good. By all means, post an update after the fact. Hope this becomes a Catholic = Prolife snowball!

54 posted on 08/27/2002 7:16:04 PM PDT by Right To Life
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To: happytobealive; Notwithstanding
I wish I lived nearer (well, until I think about the winters, at least...)

You folks have done great work. Keep it up. Those of us who are too far away to help in the flesh will be there in the spirit with our prayers.



55 posted on 08/27/2002 7:17:18 PM PDT by livius
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To: Notwithstanding; happytobealive
Though I can not physically join you, you are in prayers on your mission of mercy for the unborn this weekend. God bless you and I'm sure your endeavors shall be very fruitful.

Thank-you.

56 posted on 08/27/2002 7:17:20 PM PDT by Land of the Irish
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To: happytobealive
Thanks for the posts.
57 posted on 08/27/2002 7:19:05 PM PDT by Askel5
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To: happytobealive; SpookBrat
It is ironic how something as simple as "no killing babies" has to be hard-fought for...should be intuitive, a given, integral to ever-lovin' human nature!
58 posted on 08/27/2002 7:20:03 PM PDT by Right To Life
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To: happytobealive
Ramifications of being excommunicated? This tells who and why. Ramifications are "Goodbye, Catholic Church".

1-3 records returned of 3 matching EXCOMMUNICATION .

1463. "Certain particularly grave sins incur EXCOMMUNICATION, the most severe ecclesiastical penalty, which impedes the reception of the sacraments and the exercise of certain ecclesiastical acts, and for which absolution consequently cannot be granted, according to canon law, except by the Pope, the bishop of the place or priests authorized by them. In danger of death any priest, even if deprived of faculties for hearing confessions, can absolve from every sin and EXCOMMUNICATION.[Cf. CIC, can. 976; CCEO, can. 725.] "To view the context, please visit

2272. "Formal cooperation in an abortion constitutes a grave offense.
The Church attaches the canonical penalty of EXCOMMUNICATION to this crime against human life.
'A person who procures a completed abortion incurs EXCOMMUNICATION latae sententiae,'[CIC, can. 1398.] 'by the very commission of the offense,'[CIC, can. 1314.] and subject to the conditions provided by Canon Law.[Cf. CIC, cann. 1323-1324.]
The Church does not thereby intend to restrict the scope of mercy.
Rather, she makes clear the gravity of the crime committed, the irreparable harm done to the innocent who is put to death, as well as to the parents and the whole of society."
To view the context, please visit

2322. "From its conception, the child has the right to life. Direct abortion, that is, abortion willed as an end or as a means, is a 'criminal' practice (GS 27 # 3), gravely contrary to the moral law. The Church imposes the canonical penalty of EXCOMMUNICATION for this crime against human life."To view the context, please visit

59 posted on 08/27/2002 7:20:23 PM PDT by Salvation
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To: Askel5
Thanks for the posts...

No fifty-word Alice-in-Wonderland convolutions of the English language???

Dis-a-point-ed!

:o)

60 posted on 08/27/2002 7:23:17 PM PDT by Right To Life
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