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What if ... We Never Went to War With Iraq?

Posted on 08/21/2002 4:16:24 PM PDT by ml/nj

Let me state up front: I wasn't in favor of the "Gulf War" then, and while many are talking about invading Iraq now I'm not in favor of that either. I could discuss that if anyone wants to.

But my question tonight is: What if we never went to war with Iraq? What if we just let Hussein take over Kuwait, and maybe move on to Saudi Arabia?

Would 9/11 have happened? If it would have happened anyway, would our position be stronger than it is now?

My guesses are No and Yes.

I guess No, there wouldn't have been a 9/11 attack upon the United States by Islamic Fundamentalists. Hussein strikes me as many things, but he doesn't strike me as more than conveniently Muslim. He was at war with Fundamentalist Iran, and if he moved on the Saudis, he would have been at war with Fundamentalist Saudi Arabia. Would these guys have had the luxury of turning their ire toward us? I doubt it.

But if they did, I think we would have been in a much stronger position. Either Hussein would be on our side helping to root these people out or he wouldn't. (I think he would have been.) If he would have been on our side, his people would have provided beaucoup informers and maybe even military support, but if not it would have been much easier politically to move against him now. And he would have largely been in control of Persian Gulf oil. We could have taken those oil fields from him alone with fewer naysayers in the Muslim world than we have now.

I haven't heard anyone else ask my what if question. I'd be interested to hear the opinions of others.

ML/NJ


TOPICS: Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: 01nukem; 02tilltheyglow; 03andthen; 04shootem; 05inthedark
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To: SEGUET
a self portrait of "things I's like to be when (if) I grow up - I'm impressed.

I've always found that perfecting my typing skills is an ongoing battle.

I didn't notice any references though

"There are none so blind as those who will not see."

no note from your wife

Paging Dr. Freud. Someone slipped over here.

but we all appreciate the time you put in to filing a personal profile.

Well, thank you very much, but it's just a little HTML, anybody can do it. Well, almost anybody.

121 posted on 08/21/2002 7:28:20 PM PDT by AmishDude
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To: SEGUET
I didn't notice any references though - no financial disclosures, no DD214 and no note from your wife that you even have permission to stay up this late and talk to the adults - but we all appreciate the time you put in to filing a personal profile.

Holy Mackerel.

Is it just me, or is it starting to get warm in here?

122 posted on 08/21/2002 7:28:48 PM PDT by Kush
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To: Vermont Lt
Talking to some high school kids today, telling me that they score 1250---and the did not know that we even fought Germany in WWII!

And it's so appropriate: "Did we quit when the Germans attacked Pearl Harbor? No!"

123 posted on 08/21/2002 7:29:29 PM PDT by AmishDude
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To: Kush
Is it just me, or is it starting to get warm in here?

I don't know. Looks like it stopped all of a sudden.

124 posted on 08/21/2002 7:39:12 PM PDT by AmishDude
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To: SEGUET
...Hussein came and asked permission to take over Kuwait. We said yes.

Liar.

We said no such thing. You really believe that Bush41 told Hussein that if he wanted to take over Kuwait, it would be fine with us. Then we went to war to take it back. Rght.

You are either insane, or a cheesy disruptor, or just plain got sh*t for brains. My bet is on the latter.
125 posted on 08/21/2002 7:44:32 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: Kush
"Holy Mackerel.

Is it just me, or is it starting to get warm in here?"

Kush - open up the face piece on your armor - we've got half an hour glass left before the joust actually begins and me thinks the ladies in waiting require some acknowledgement.
126 posted on 08/21/2002 7:45:12 PM PDT by SEGUET
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To: ml/nj
Transcript also posted here - http://www.fas.org/news/iraq/1990/900923-glaspie.htm”> Federation of American Scientists.

And what, exactly, do you think she meant to convey by her "We have no opinion ..." statement?

Definition of opinion from Merriam-Webster's Dictionary of English Usage.

1 a : a view, judgment, or appraisal formed in the mind about a particular matter b : APPROVAL, ESTEEM
2 a : belief stronger than impression and less strong than positive knowledge b : a generally held view
3 a : a formal expression of judgment or advice by an expert b : the formal expression (as by a judge, court, or referee) of the legal reasons and principles upon which a legal decision is based

127 posted on 08/21/2002 7:45:45 PM PDT by Lockbox
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To: SEGUET
Well, then, we shan't keep the ladies in waiting, er, uh, waiting, then, right? At least we can practice safe sex. All the chastity belts have combination locks.
128 posted on 08/21/2002 7:58:08 PM PDT by Kush
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To: hinckley buzzard
"Rght."

Oops that's an ASSumption.

"You are either insane, or a cheesy disruptor, or just plain got sh*t for brains. My bet is on the latter"

Its 8-5 against. And "either" should only be used when you are offering 2 options not 3 - as in "either" "or".

Sorry your suspect from the outset.

By the way a "cheesy disruptor" - that's the eightyteenth time I've seen this phrase on this site in the last 2 days-what exactly does it mean? - before I "either" fess up to being one "or" deny same.

Thanks for taking time out of your busy schedule to respond.
129 posted on 08/21/2002 8:00:30 PM PDT by SEGUET
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To: AmishDude
"...a self portrait of "things I's like to be when ..."

No "I's" is what I intended here -
130 posted on 08/21/2002 8:05:55 PM PDT by SEGUET
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To: ml/nj
Well, art is art, isn't it? Still, on the other hand, water is water! And east is east and west is west and if you take cranberries and stew them like applesauce they taste much more like prunes than rhubarb does. Now, uh... Now you tell me what you know.

Groucho Marx

131 posted on 08/21/2002 8:09:06 PM PDT by Wondervixen
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To: SEGUET
No "I's" is what I intended here -

Grammar, then. Not typing. Fair enough. Well, it would have to be grammar, because it couldn't be an attempt at humor. I mean, that'd be just pathetic.

132 posted on 08/21/2002 8:09:13 PM PDT by AmishDude
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To: eastforker
To: ml/nj

"Oh WOW,You are gonna get creamed,lots of luck.Full spead ahead,damn the torpedoes.Bet you get sunk under 25 post.


9 posted on 8/21/02 4:29 PM Pacific by eastforker"


Dear eastforker -

You lose - big time - you owe Amish dude a transfusion - he needs it.
133 posted on 08/21/2002 8:10:39 PM PDT by SEGUET
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To: Kush
"Well, then, we shan't keep the ladies in waiting, er, uh, waiting, then, right? At least we can practice safe sex. All the chastity belts have combination locks."

Kush -

You can be my wing man anytime - its been great flying with you -

Safe Home

Seguet
134 posted on 08/21/2002 8:21:27 PM PDT by SEGUET
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To: Kush
Hilldebeast of Phat-Leggs

You're right. If I were a piano company I'd make plaster casts of her legs before they're lost to medical science.

135 posted on 08/21/2002 9:06:32 PM PDT by DentsRun
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To: AmishDude
Actually, Hitler is a common cultural reference for one.

I guess my complaint is that some people think, if they can manage to work in a comparison to Hitler, that they've thrashed their opponent's arguments so thoroughly there's nothing he can say in reply. What they're really done is change the argument to Hitler without really addressing the other person's arguments. Radio talk show host Dennis Prager, whom I listen to here from Los Angeles, I don't think has ever gone two day in a row without mentioning Hitler. To me it's the mark of a second class mind. He's irritating in other respects too. The other day he announced that compassion is the key element of character and that ever since he was a little boy he's always had more compassion than anyone he never knew. Talk about humility! It's running out the enlarged pores in his nose.

136 posted on 08/21/2002 9:22:34 PM PDT by DentsRun
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