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BUSH EXPECTED TO PROMOTE NEW FOREST POLICY
OregonLive.com ^ | 8-21-02 | MICHAEL MILSTEIN & JIM BARNETT

Posted on 08/21/2002 9:47:05 AM PDT by madfly

Bush expected to promote new forest policy

08/21/02

MICHAEL MILSTEIN

and JIM BARNETT

When he speaks Thursday in Medford, President Bush is expected to push for more intensive thinning of Western forests to reduce fire danger. And he will likely support legislation streamlining environmental rules that have slowed many Western logging projects.

It will plainly signal the administration's approach to forest management against the backdrop of epic wildfires burning throughout Oregon and the West.

It could also incite a storm of opposition from environmental groups that argue logging only will do more harm to Western forests.

Sen. Larry Craig, R-Idaho, said Tuesday that he and his staff found White House support for a new Western fire policy that would step up thinning as well as backing for legislation that would ease the legal hurdles for logging projects meant to restore forest health.

And the White House, which in May joined Western governors in backing plans to thin forests, has invited governors to appear with the president Thursday.

Administration officials have blamed tangles of environmental rules for slowing logging on federal lands and want cutting accelerated to meet targets set by the 1994 Northwest Forest Plan. But so far the administration has not offered specific plans or direction on how to surmount either hurdle.

The president's visit comes as Western lawmakers, led by Craig, draw up legislation to speed cutting of overgrown forests. Craig was part of a bipartisan group, including Sen. Ron Wyden, D-Ore., that appeared at an Aug. 1 news conference pledging to work to lessen the fire risk that accompanies overgrowth.

Craig said Tuesday that after the news conference he had discussed plans for a new wildfire policy with administration officials and discovered that Bush already had taken a strong interest in the topic. Craig said he expects the president to make a statement on the issue in Oregon, where many of the nation's largest wildfires are burning in forests clogged by decades of fire suppression.

"Public policy of the past has created the crisis of today, and I think our president recognizes that," Craig said. "He is willing to lead us on the issue to see if we can find some common ground to begin to treat these forests and bring down these wildfires."

Environmental groups, long critical of the president for appointing friends of timber and other industries to top posts, said the president is simply using Western wildfires to justify increased logging. They said cutting would likely target the most valuable large trees instead of the smaller wood that poses the greatest fire risk.

"This administration was pushing logging before these fires, it's pushing logging because of these fires, and it'll be pushing logging after these fires," said Nathaniel Lawrence of the Natural Resources Defense Council.

The White House on Tuesday invited Oregon Gov. John Kitzhaber to join the president in Southern Oregon on Thursday, when Bush will ride in a helicopter over the huge Biscuit Fire and visit a smaller fire closer to Medford.

Kitzhaber has led an effort by the Western Governors' Association to address wildfire threats across the West.

The Bush administration has signed onto the governors' plan of stepped-up thinning, and Bush will promote that Thursday. But the administration has so far not committed to the funding the governors want and in some cases has suggested firefighting costs have escalated out of control.

Governors from Idaho, Arizona and Montana also have been invited to join the president in Medford.

Craig's staff is still drafting its new wildfire policy, giving priority to 30 million acres of Western forests that are most densely overgrown and infested with insects.

Spokesmen said it would be similar to language devised by Sen. Tom Daschle, D-S.D., that exempted thinning projects in his home state from appeals and lawsuits that could hold them up. Western senators from both parties have expressed support for the move, said Craig spokesman Mike Tracy.

"We know also the White House will be pushing for this," he said.

Daschle has said his language, approved as a rider to a defense bill, came only after South Dakota environmental and industry groups had reached agreement on the thinning and related wilderness designations.

Among other things, Craig said the bill might allow timber companies to thin forests and use the material -- a practice known as "goods for services" -- and would not allow lawsuits on thinning projects. He said companies should do the work because they have the expertise to do the work efficiently.

"I want people in there who are professionals who can follow the rules established by the Forest Service to thin and to clean," he said. "We can't spend the next three years training a work force."

But Craig said he would not support a bill that allowed for logging of the large old-growth trees that scientists think are most able to withstand fires.

"I am not talking about logging old growth, period -- end of statement," Craig said.

Craig is also working with Wyden on a bill that would protect old growth on the west slope of the Cascades, while speeding up thinning on the drier east side by easing legal and procedural hurdles for projects there. Many environmental groups oppose the measure, saying it sacrifices one forest for the other.

Josh Kardon, Wyden's chief of staff, said Wyden is interested in bills that would let agencies approve vital thinning projects more quickly as long as it does not eliminate the public's option of going to court to block a project.

"If it means ensuring timely judicial process for management activities where fire and other risks are present, Senator Wyden is very interested in pursuing bipartisan solutions," Kardon said.

Chris West, spokesman for the American Forest Resource Council, said the industry would welcome a commitment by Bush to forest health. Forest thinning under the National Fire Plan hasn't been able to get off the ground, he said.

"Since half a million acres have burned in the state, he's going to use that to kick-start a new policy to deal with the situation," West said.

"The environmental community needs to pull their head out of the sand
and be an active participant in this process
instead of a grenade thrower," he said.

Michael Milstein: 503-294-7689;
michaelmilstein@news.oregonian.com Tom Detzel of The Oregonian staff contributed to this report.


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To: madfly
Thanks for the heads up!
21 posted on 08/21/2002 10:47:54 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: madfly; All
Does anyone know what time tomorrow the president is expected to give this speech? I'd really like to hear it.
22 posted on 08/21/2002 10:48:38 AM PDT by cake_crumb
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To: EBUCK
Ah...EBUCK! Check's on the way out for those stickers! I have a problem remembering days of the week. ...sorry 'bout that.
23 posted on 08/21/2002 11:05:09 AM PDT by cake_crumb
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To: AuntB
DARN!! I was hoping it would be broadcast!!

Great idea giving him a copy of Natural Processes.

Good luck BUMP!!

24 posted on 08/21/2002 11:08:01 AM PDT by cake_crumb
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To: cake_crumb
Great! We've started mulling over a plan to get it up on a billboard!

Link to thread

Probably won't go anywhere without corporate sponsorship though, cost a lot.

EBUCK

25 posted on 08/21/2002 11:08:02 AM PDT by EBUCK
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To: justshe
Wyden is trying to strike a balance between his environazi base and those horrified about the scope of destruction that roadless policies and lack of management have brought about. Wyden was part of the problem, now he pretends to be part of the solution in order not to lose his job.

Same as Daschle.

Like Dashcle, Wyden is in need of thinnin' out of his elected post.

26 posted on 08/21/2002 11:20:08 AM PDT by cake_crumb
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To: GretchenEE
There is no reason to log trees to begin with without the "for profit" motive.

It is not logging "for profit" which is the problem. It is clear cutting that damages.

Timber management, which includes logging "for profit" benefits trees because when it is done right, the trees thrive and reproduce and the SAME AREAS can be reharvested every dicade without harming the forest AT ALL. "For profit" logging as a part of overall timber management is therefore the solution.

27 posted on 08/21/2002 11:26:50 AM PDT by cake_crumb
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To: rintense
The envirowackos will hate him. But then again, they must also hate Daschle. Heh.

Their whiney protests will probably be funded by the Canadian government.
The Canucks don't like it when we use our own natural resources.
It causes the meager value of their socialist "looney" dollar to plunge even further.

28 posted on 08/21/2002 11:34:19 AM PDT by Willie Green
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To: EBUCK
A billboard?? Great idea!! Thanks for the related thread link!

Hmmm....corporate sponsorship. Maybe from the lumber industry....but they might be afraid the content is "divisive" or something.

29 posted on 08/21/2002 11:49:04 AM PDT by cake_crumb
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To: cake_crumb
I grew up in timber country and have worked for one of the biggest of the timber harvesting companies. I have watched in amazement as logic disappeared from the landscape on how to use the forests God gave us. The constant whine of the environmentalists who are out of balance (not all of them are akilter) is that logging for profit is a mortal sin or close to it. I have theories on why they are so goofed up but regardless, they have to come up with wacked out reasons to attack reasonable forest management.

There is, indeed, a reason, other than profit, for logging: preventing forest fires that are ravaging our beautiful, beloved country this very minute. Fires that have killed those who try to fight them to protect us. Fires that have destroyed billions of dollars' worth of civilization and left our fellow citizens homeless.
30 posted on 08/21/2002 11:57:14 AM PDT by GretchenEE
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To: cake_crumb
It's certainly divisive but in their favor...I have a Wayer-amette Industries home office right down the street. I'll drop in on 'em later today..

EBUCK

31 posted on 08/21/2002 12:04:20 PM PDT by EBUCK
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To: GretchenEE
I agree there is a reason for timber management other than for profit...my point was that you aren't going to get the thinning done without paid workers, and if the government is forced to pay the workers to thin the trees...then we add another layer of red tape to the bloated beuracracy which is infecting the USFS. There are plenty of well trained, extremely experienced and highly qualified individuals in the provate sector right now who're ready to do the job, so let the private sector do it so I don't have to listen to the "Bush overspending" crowd in relation to this. In addition, those qualified invididuals already get contracts with the Parks and Forestry. They already know what's needed.

It's obvious we're in agreement on the timber management part....we need a way to promote intelligent timber management as the only solution which will keep our forests healthy and provide wood for our lumber-hungry nation.

I'm not talking about "tree-farming", but the practice of timber management which you describe. I'm not fond of tree-farming in it's strict sense.

We need the silent majority of the timber industry, those who love the woods and love trees and understand the need for management to ensure the healthiest possible forests (there are quite a few of them who happen to be former or current firefighters) to be able to get their vision out.

I'm talking foresters, loggers who are former or current firefighters, even the Parks people who agree that management, including thinning, is necessary.

In short, we need some kind of image campaign....I'm not sure how to do it.

32 posted on 08/21/2002 12:47:43 PM PDT by cake_crumb
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To: cake_crumb
Agreed re: Wyden. What a toady!!! And Daschle is the King of the Toadys! I don't know WHAT these Senators are thinking of. Craig too. In all 3 states they are fast-tracking the thinning to the east sides: Washington, Oregon, Idaho. Dumb, dumb, dumb!

And then to make the west side forests dependent on the 120 year "old growth" standard is further stupidity!

I am MOST disappointed in Craig. And I think they are all dancing to the enviro's tune on this issue. Enviros have become about 1000% more powerful in the last 10 years. I posted this on the other thread and it is VERY telling.

August 02 Limbaugh newsletter:

BENCH SCORE: Who Picked The Judges

Johnson........1
Ford...........5
Nixon..........7
Carter........38
GW Bush.......59
Vacancies.....95 (Current vacancies)
Reagan.......142
Bush.........156
Clinton......359

Clinton packed the bench. And the enviros are using that to increase and advance their agenda. I don't know what you do about this.
33 posted on 08/21/2002 1:18:49 PM PDT by justshe
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To: cake_crumb
~~~~~...my point was that you aren't going to get the thinning done without paid workers, and if the government is forced to pay the workers to thin the trees.~~~

I would think the thinning would be done by 'timber sales'. Just like in the old days.......LOL. Private timber companies bidding on the sales. At least that is how it SHOULD be accomplished. I know for a fact the USFS isn't going to do the thinning themselves. But all this will NOT occur if we don't get the same type of restrictions on this thinning plan that Daschle got for HIS forests. Mainly that they are NOT subject to NEPA and they are immune to court challenge (cutting off the enviros main course for stopping the sales).
34 posted on 08/21/2002 1:29:28 PM PDT by justshe
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To: madfly
Bump for later reading.
35 posted on 08/21/2002 1:32:32 PM PDT by Glutton
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To: justshe
"I don't know WHAT these Senators are thinking of."

I do: power. Absolute control, and all the perks the average emperor expected at the very least for the rest of their natural lives, and all on OUR dime.

Yep, Daschle is the biggest toadie of all.

I think the only way to help unjam the Senate is to take it back...but now that the libertarian party has activated their Perot machine with occasional help from Rush, I don't know how much chance of success we have.

Also, the constituents need to LOUDLY proclaim their anger and disgust with the filibustering of judiciary appointments as all as the HOST of other idiocies they are guilty of.

We might even see some action....McKinney MIGHT have been a wake up call....we can only hope.

36 posted on 08/21/2002 2:19:57 PM PDT by cake_crumb
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To: justshe
"I would think the thinning would be done by 'timber sales'. Just like in the old days.......LOL. Private timber companies bidding on the sales"

Sorry...that is exactly what I was referring to. My husband is a logger, working on Federal land in NYS right now...however, as dedicated as he is to timber management, and as much as he loves forestry, trees and the outdoors in general...in the end...the bottom line.....his base motive is profit.

I guess we both misunderstood the meaning of each other's replies....and my brain cells are beginning to overheat.

37 posted on 08/21/2002 2:25:12 PM PDT by cake_crumb
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To: cake_crumb
Darn that sounded cold...I can't seem to get my thoughts across with any clarity today!

Now I'm gonna get flamed as a nasty greedy profit loving clear-cutter ....sheeeeeesh

38 posted on 08/21/2002 2:31:40 PM PDT by cake_crumb
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To: rintense; madfly; Grampa Dave
Good news bump.
39 posted on 08/21/2002 3:36:20 PM PDT by AAABEST
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To: cake_crumb
No...it didn't sound cold at all. At least to ME...lol.
40 posted on 08/21/2002 4:17:56 PM PDT by justshe
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