BUSH EXPECTED TO PROMOTE NEW FOREST POLICY

OregonLive.com ^ | 8-21-02 | MICHAEL MILSTEIN & JIM BARNETT

[Alamo-Girl]

Thanks for the heads up!

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Does anyone know what time tomorrow the president is expected to give this speech? I'd really like to hear it.

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Ah...EBUCK! Check's on the way out for those stickers! I have a problem remembering days of the week. ...sorry 'bout that.

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DARN!! I was hoping it would be broadcast!!

Great idea giving him a copy of Natural Processes.

Good luck BUMP!!

[EBUCK]

Great! We've started mulling over a plan to get it up on a billboard!

Link to thread

Probably won't go anywhere without corporate sponsorship though, cost a lot.

EBUCK

[cake_crumb]

Wyden is trying to strike a balance between his environazi base and those horrified about the scope of destruction that roadless policies and lack of management have brought about. Wyden was part of the problem, now he pretends to be part of the solution in order not to lose his job.

Same as Daschle.

Like Dashcle, Wyden is in need of thinnin' out of his elected post.

[cake_crumb]

There is no reason to log trees to begin with without the "for profit" motive.

It is not logging "for profit" which is the problem. It is clear cutting that damages.

Timber management, which includes logging "for profit" benefits trees because when it is done right, the trees thrive and reproduce and the SAME AREAS can be reharvested every dicade without harming the forest AT ALL. "For profit" logging as a part of overall timber management is therefore the solution.

[Willie Green]

The envirowackos will hate him. But then again, they must also hate Daschle. Heh.

Their whiney protests will probably be funded by the Canadian government.
The Canucks don't like it when we use our own natural resources.
It causes the meager value of their socialist "looney" dollar to plunge even further.

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A billboard?? Great idea!! Thanks for the related thread link!

Hmmm....corporate sponsorship. Maybe from the lumber industry....but they might be afraid the content is "divisive" or something.

[GretchenEE]

I grew up in timber country and have worked for one of the biggest of the timber harvesting companies. I have watched in amazement as logic disappeared from the landscape on how to use the forests God gave us. The constant whine of the environmentalists who are out of balance (not all of them are akilter) is that logging for profit is a mortal sin or close to it. I have theories on why they are so goofed up but regardless, they have to come up with wacked out reasons to attack reasonable forest management.

There is, indeed, a reason, other than profit, for logging: preventing forest fires that are ravaging our beautiful, beloved country this very minute. Fires that have killed those who try to fight them to protect us. Fires that have destroyed billions of dollars' worth of civilization and left our fellow citizens homeless.

[EBUCK]

It's certainly divisive but in their favor...I have a Wayer-amette Industries home office right down the street. I'll drop in on 'em later today..

EBUCK

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I agree there is a reason for timber management other than for profit...my point was that you aren't going to get the thinning done without paid workers, and if the government is forced to pay the workers to thin the trees...then we add another layer of red tape to the bloated beuracracy which is infecting the USFS. There are plenty of well trained, extremely experienced and highly qualified individuals in the provate sector right now who're ready to do the job, so let the private sector do it so I don't have to listen to the "Bush overspending" crowd in relation to this. In addition, those qualified invididuals already get contracts with the Parks and Forestry. They already know what's needed.

It's obvious we're in agreement on the timber management part....we need a way to promote intelligent timber management as the only solution which will keep our forests healthy and provide wood for our lumber-hungry nation.

I'm not talking about "tree-farming", but the practice of timber management which you describe. I'm not fond of tree-farming in it's strict sense.

We need the silent majority of the timber industry, those who love the woods and love trees and understand the need for management to ensure the healthiest possible forests (there are quite a few of them who happen to be former or current firefighters) to be able to get their vision out.

I'm talking foresters, loggers who are former or current firefighters, even the Parks people who agree that management, including thinning, is necessary.

In short, we need some kind of image campaign....I'm not sure how to do it.

[justshe]

Agreed re: Wyden. What a toady!!! And Daschle is the King of the Toadys! I don't know WHAT these Senators are thinking of. Craig too. In all 3 states they are fast-tracking the thinning to the east sides: Washington, Oregon, Idaho. Dumb, dumb, dumb!

And then to make the west side forests dependent on the 120 year "old growth" standard is further stupidity!

I am MOST disappointed in Craig. And I think they are all dancing to the enviro's tune on this issue. Enviros have become about 1000% more powerful in the last 10 years. I posted this on the other thread and it is VERY telling.

August 02 Limbaugh newsletter:

BENCH SCORE: Who Picked The Judges

Johnson........1
Ford...........5
Nixon..........7
Carter........38
GW Bush.......59
Vacancies.....95 (Current vacancies)
Reagan.......142
Bush.........156
Clinton......359

Clinton packed the bench. And the enviros are using that to increase and advance their agenda. I don't know what you do about this.

[justshe]

~~~~~...my point was that you aren't going to get the thinning done without paid workers, and if the government is forced to pay the workers to thin the trees.~~~

I would think the thinning would be done by 'timber sales'. Just like in the old days.......LOL. Private timber companies bidding on the sales. At least that is how it SHOULD be accomplished. I know for a fact the USFS isn't going to do the thinning themselves. But all this will NOT occur if we don't get the same type of restrictions on this thinning plan that Daschle got for HIS forests. Mainly that they are NOT subject to NEPA and they are immune to court challenge (cutting off the enviros main course for stopping the sales).

[Glutton]

Bump for later reading.

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"I don't know WHAT these Senators are thinking of."

I do: power. Absolute control, and all the perks the average emperor expected at the very least for the rest of their natural lives, and all on OUR dime.

Yep, Daschle is the biggest toadie of all.

I think the only way to help unjam the Senate is to take it back...but now that the libertarian party has activated their Perot machine with occasional help from Rush, I don't know how much chance of success we have.

Also, the constituents need to LOUDLY proclaim their anger and disgust with the filibustering of judiciary appointments as all as the HOST of other idiocies they are guilty of.

We might even see some action....McKinney MIGHT have been a wake up call....we can only hope.

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"I would think the thinning would be done by 'timber sales'. Just like in the old days.......LOL. Private timber companies bidding on the sales"

Sorry...that is exactly what I was referring to. My husband is a logger, working on Federal land in NYS right now...however, as dedicated as he is to timber management, and as much as he loves forestry, trees and the outdoors in general...in the end...the bottom line.....his base motive is profit.

I guess we both misunderstood the meaning of each other's replies....and my brain cells are beginning to overheat.

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Darn that sounded cold...I can't seem to get my thoughts across with any clarity today!

Now I'm gonna get flamed as a nasty greedy profit loving clear-cutter ....sheeeeeesh

[AAABEST]

Good news bump.

[justshe]

No...it didn't sound cold at all. At least to ME...lol.