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Intended Consequences: Natural Process v. Environmental Arrogance
The Sierra Times ^ | 8-19-02 | Sean Finnegan

Posted on 08/20/2002 9:09:04 AM PDT by madfly

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To: Drawsing
FYI
41 posted on 08/20/2002 3:44:40 PM PDT by AuntB
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To: AuntB; nunya bidness; Carry_Okie; farmfriend; Grampa Dave
Everybody complains about the weather, but nobody does anything about it... except Carry_Okie!!!

Hey Nunya! Whose business is it, anyway???
Hey Carry! Whose century is it, anyway???
Hay AuntB! Whose land is it, anyway???
Hey farmfriend! Whose rights are inalienable, anyway???
Hey Grampa! Whose fish are they, anyway???
Hey Freepers! Whose national boundaries and constitution is it, anyway???

I can tell you all this much... None of it belongs to GANG-GREEN!!! But if we don't assert ourselves, they'll "bring it all down, maaaaaaaan!!!" (heard on the Berkeley campus during the free speach and people's park protests of the sixties)
42 posted on 08/20/2002 3:44:49 PM PDT by SierraWasp
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To: SierraWasp
Those unsmoked trout, steelhead and salmon are all mine.

Finally we have a group of fly fishers fighting the Green Nazis who own the whitewater outfits on Kali Rivers and the high flows they get on the weekends to make their rental crafts go downstream faster. Often to make two trips per day instead of one. When the streams flow this fast they make it dangerous for fishers and are harmful to the fish and the bugs they need to eat to stay alive.

I have been yelling about this for years, and suddenly some people are now realizing that there is an unholy relationship between the water releases and the Green Nazis who own raft companies, kayaks and canoes.

Do you have any data re their contributions to the Gray One?
43 posted on 08/20/2002 3:57:28 PM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: Grampa Dave
My take on kayakers is that the Feds believe that as long as a river is commercially navigable it is under Federill Jurisdiction. So the Bureau of Reclamation is perfectly willing to waste water and damage habitat in order to pump up the kayaking business because helps justify extending the scope of regulatory control.
44 posted on 08/20/2002 4:24:37 PM PDT by Carry_Okie
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To: Grampa Dave
Do you have any data re their contributions to the Gray One?

I got yer Freepmail but haven't had time to give you help yet. They all grew up together, raftin on the Stanislaus, dreamin of destroyin dams, yada, yada, yada!!!

They don't all love Gray, but they still have a strong affinity and believe he'll always come through for them while rippin off the corporate giants and large land owners they hate so much.

They, along with their "buds" in the media, feel it's their "way of life" to "comfort the afficted and afflict the comfortable!" To "subvert the predominant paradigm!"

Tony Cohelo, Bill Center, Tim Duane, Phil Angelides, the whole GANG-GREEN have lied down with dogs (each other) and come up with blood sucking fleas to afflict both the CA and national economy to suffocate economic progress, while enhancing their pseudo eco-tourism industry... so-called!!!

Hay! Couldn't you tie summa those fleas on yer fly rod?
45 posted on 08/20/2002 5:20:34 PM PDT by SierraWasp
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To: Carry_Okie; SierraWasp
So high water and wasting water on our rivers is twofer win for the Federills and the White Water enviralists that Sierra Wasp loves so much.

Then, if they kill the natural bugs in the river, the fish counts will go down. Then they, the state guys and all of the enviral fishy people will start yelling to stop fishing to save the Cross Eyed Summer Redside Blue Gilled sometimes Steelhead and sometimes rare Eagle Lake Rainbow #12 trout.


46 posted on 08/20/2002 5:24:40 PM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: SierraWasp
Good Rant!
47 posted on 08/20/2002 5:26:32 PM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: Grampa Dave
Bingo!

Ain't nothing quite like a win/win strategy, is there?

Thugs.
48 posted on 08/20/2002 5:43:46 PM PDT by Carry_Okie
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To: AnnaZ; Jeff Head; Travis McGee; Inspector Harry Callahan; MadameAxe; Issaquahking; farmfriend; ...
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49 posted on 08/20/2002 5:56:45 PM PDT by nunya bidness
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To: Carry_Okie; SierraWasp; Ernest_at_the_Beach
Thugs is a wonderful descriptive word. We need to revive it when we talk about the Green Thugs.

I don't know how long this chart will stay up. It is a chart of the flow on the American River below Nimbus. The average flow for 97 years for this time of year is about 700 to 800 cubic feet per second. It has been running as high as 3,000 to 2,000 cubic feet per second.

So today's flow is about 3 times the normal average flow. It makes it about impossible to fish, very dangersous for all but the white water nazis.

Also, after two summers of these flows, the bug/insect life in the river downstream for miles below Nimbus is becoming less each day. My last trip up, there was not even an evening hatch, let alone a mid afternoon hatch.

So this is another twofer win for the thugs. Gray Davis gets a lot of hydro powe, and his white water enviral thugs get fast moving water to get two rentals per day.


50 posted on 08/20/2002 6:00:14 PM PDT by Grampa Dave
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To: SierraWasp
"Hay AuntB! Whose land is it, anyway???"

MINE! Mine, Waspman...thanks for the reminder!

51 posted on 08/20/2002 6:10:30 PM PDT by AuntB
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To: Grampa Dave
Dynamite note!
52 posted on 08/20/2002 6:13:45 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: nunya bidness
"-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gotta' love it when a plan comes together."

AHHHH....Ain't it the truth.

We are all so very proud of you...I wish I could go!!!! You should be here Thursday:

President Bush will arrive Thursday on Air Force One at 9:55 a.m.(pacific) at the Medford (Oregon) Airport and then tour some of the fire damage near Ruch. He will make his speech at the Compton Arena at the Jackson County Fairgrounds in Central Point at 12:45 p.m. The speech is by invitation & ticket only, so I do not know if there will be any other access for the public.

I will try to take pictures!!

53 posted on 08/20/2002 6:16:24 PM PDT by AuntB
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To: SierraWasp
ROFL!!
54 posted on 08/20/2002 6:23:08 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: AuntB
There's a certain book I wish you could give him.

I'm stuck at home cuz duh cawr is in de shoppe.

(%*&#_*)
55 posted on 08/20/2002 6:35:39 PM PDT by Carry_Okie
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To: nunya bidness; AnnaZ; Grampa Dave; AuntB
Sean, way to go bro ... as usual, you make us all proud.

Dig in over there and route those vipers out. I know you will dig deep.

God bless, keep the faith and ... watch your six and always mind that knot.

Anna ... you have to have Sean on soon ... he's one in a million. He drove all the way out from Maryland to help at Klamath and became well known, liked and respected by all (except the fence sitters and those officials committed to perpetrating the rural cleansing there. He puts his actions, his dollars and his heart where his words are. His efforts in Florida and leading up to it will be phenominal I am sure.

Great guy to have in a tight spot or hot situation and someone I would gladly share a foxhole with or have minding my six.

56 posted on 08/20/2002 6:47:25 PM PDT by Jeff Head
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To: madfly; Carry_Okie
"This is a MUST PRINT OUT document for study and application, and distribution to others."

Actually, although this is good advice, I recommend that freepers buy the book and read the whole argument. I really wish Carry_Okie great success with this endeavor.

57 posted on 08/20/2002 7:06:54 PM PDT by redhead
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To: Jeff Head; nunya bidness
He drove all the way out from Maryland to help at Klamath and became well known, liked and respected by all

I happened on this site as the Klamath tragedy was just beginning. I was amazed by all the people here who were helping to spread the word. I would read the reports and see the pictures and started emailing and calling my local TV stations asking WHY there was no coverage of the plight of the people trying to survive this eco-madness. One station told me it was because there was no film footage! I then became a freeper.

I applaud you, Sean, for your efforts and support of the people who are being hoodwinked by the govm't, NGO's and Enviro-whackos.

58 posted on 08/20/2002 7:11:40 PM PDT by madfly
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To: AuntB
"MINE! Mine, Waspman..."

No it ain't! It balongs tew all the lonely peephole in eekwull shares! (where do they all cum frum)

It's all apart of the viewshed, watershed, woodshed, toolshed, cowshed, wetlands, lowlands, blue-line streams, un-named tributaries, being up-stream and down-wind of some militant ex-urban refugee who's annointed his/herself the representative of all the lonely peephole, in eekwull shares!

Sing along with me now... "This land is your land... This land is my land... Frum Californya... Tew the Nuu Yark eyeland... Frum the Gulf Stream wadders... Tew the (I cain't remmer the rest) Dang yew, Woodie Guthrie, you Commonist!!!

59 posted on 08/20/2002 8:23:00 PM PDT by SierraWasp
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To: cogitator; Carry_Okie; AuntB; Grampa Dave; forester; marsh2; Iconoclast2; nunya bidness; Phil V.
"We have consistently urged more spending by the Forest Service to reduce brush, create firebreaks around homes and communities and expand controlled burning."

That's pure unadulterated Bull Roar around here!!! They didn't adopt such a policy around the western slope of the Sierra until they got ambushed in the infamous Sierra Nevada Eco-system Project (SNEP) that grew out of the equally infamous "Sierra In Peril," series that won a couple of Sacramento Busy Bee reporters a Pulitzer Prize!

Mr. Doug Leiz, a lifelong forester and former executive with the REAL USFS of yesteryear pulled their covers rather deftly about fire policy and they grudgingly relented.(In fact, I think he is one of the books endorsers on the back cover)

One of the Pulitzer winners recently ran a legitimate series in the Sacbee.com that was actually more honest about the corrupt and powerful GANG-GREEN. Did he get another Politzer? Hell No!!!

If anybody has more than earned a Politzer... In my book, it's Carry_Okie!!!

Who better than a "Process Engineer" to write the definitive book on re-engineering the "Natural Process?"

60 posted on 08/20/2002 8:50:04 PM PDT by SierraWasp
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