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I wonder if the good professor would change his viewpoint if his beloved university was hit by islamist terrorists?
1 posted on 08/19/2002 3:45:27 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer
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Listen to this politically correct nonsense and a lot more innocents will die. The guy is writing on the basis of wishful thinking. Radical Christians and Jews are not flying airliners full of innocents into tall buildings full of innocents. Islam is a dangerous religion. Ten per cent (100 million) of its adherents take its "destroy all infidels" literally and are directly responsible for violence against non-Muslims in every country in the world where the religion is dominant except Turkey which has a secular government that does not put up with it.
2 posted on 08/19/2002 3:56:24 AM PDT by NoControllingLegalAuthority
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I wonder if the good professor would change his viewpoint if his beloved university was hit by islamist terrorists?

Guess he would. However, he'd probably change his mind on Amish also ,if they hit his university.

3 posted on 08/19/2002 3:59:02 AM PDT by Captain Shady
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I bet the saudis puit a nice check into his bank account so he could write this trash.

Coming next week; Why Josef Stalin was missunderstood by the West and should be proclaimed a Saint by the Russian Orthodx Church.

Also on the darwing boards: Adolf Hitler anti-semite or missunderstood artist?

4 posted on 08/19/2002 4:05:34 AM PDT by Cacique
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Gary Leupp
Associate Professor of History

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Email: gary.leupp@tufts.edu
Tel: (617) 627-2426


Education

  • B.A. University of Hawaii (1978).
  • M.A. University of Hawaii (1980).
  • Ph.D. University of Michigan (1989).

Major Publications

  • Servants, Shophands, and Laborers in the Cities of Tokugawa Japan (1992).
  • Male Colors: The Construction of Homosexuality in Tokugawa Japan (1995).

Research in Progress

  • Weaving Workshops in Tokugawa Kyoto
  • Urban Gang Violence in Tokugawa Japan
  • Ethnic Consciousness and Race-Mixing in Early Modern Japan

Courses

  • History 47 - Japan from Prehistory to 1868
  • History 48 - Japan from 1868 to the Present
  • History 133  - Japanese History from Literature
  • History 134  - Tokugawa Japan
  • History 135  - Gender and Sexuality in Japanese History
  • History 182GL  - Religion in Japanese History
 

5 posted on 08/19/2002 4:09:51 AM PDT by dennisw
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When they talk about Muhammed, are they talking about that old boxing guy who's lost a few of his marbles?

Just wondering

6 posted on 08/19/2002 4:17:24 AM PDT by WhiteGuy
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Jewish Israeli historian Ilan Pappe

This nutso, a card-carrying Communist, is a darling of neo-nazis and revisionists, along with fellow nutsos Noam Chomsky and Israel Shahak.

7 posted on 08/19/2002 4:21:44 AM PDT by Alouette
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With all the Japanese classes he teaches and all the Japanese research he does you would think he would at least write an article about what is in store for the Muslim world if they dont stop terror.

I guess better to make up history than teach real history.

8 posted on 08/19/2002 4:29:59 AM PDT by alisasny
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Somewhere in the Bible is the admonition to judge a tree by its fruit. That's applicable here, no?

As someone has already noted, we don't see Christian or Jewish fundamentalists homicide-bombing shopping centers and pizzerias, nor flying airliners into office towers. Nor does Christian sacred literature ever counsel Christians to treat any human being, of whatever faith, with deceit and violence, as the Koran does -- no matter what marginal adjustments Professor Leupp wants to make to our interpretation of "infidel."

Whether Islam is the root cause -- a phrase leftists love -- of violent Islamic expansionism, or whether it's just the dominant rationalization for something these savages would do anyway, it is demonstrably an unworthy religion that fails to meet the universal temporal standard of justification for all religious creeds: curbing the excesses of its adherents.

For more thoughts along these lines, please see:

Present Enemies, Future Wars

Freedom, Wealth, and Peace,
Francis W. Porretto
Visit The Palace Of Reason: http://palaceofreason.com

9 posted on 08/19/2002 4:32:22 AM PDT by fporretto
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The American people are, I submit, far more threatened by Christian fundamentalism than its Islamic counterpart. And for a Pentecostalist Christian like John Ashcroft, who believes every word of the Bible literally, to inveigh against Islam (as he has) is (to use the English proverb) the "pot calling the kettle black."

Typical left wing scare tactic. They want to equivicate conservative Christians with the terrorists who murdered 3000 innocents on 9-11. The point of this artice isn't to enlighten his students about Islamisists, it's to scare them away from conservative Christians by equating the two.

Anybody whose been in college within the past 30 years can spot this phony-ness a mile waya.

12 posted on 08/19/2002 4:36:23 AM PDT by Sir_Humphrey
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Christianity and Judaism did not "thrive" under Islam. They survived. A tiny number of Christians and Jews were the physicians and advisors of rulers because of their knowlege and talents which were extremely rare among the Moslems, but the great majority lived under highly straitened circumstances with heavy extra taxes and disabilities. The physicians and advisors sometimes converted in order to stay alive or when a ruler would capriciously ordain that henceforth only Moslems could hold any office. These Jews and Christians and ex-Jews and ex-Christians were the source of the great "flowering" of culture and science and pereservation of knowlege.
13 posted on 08/19/2002 4:50:17 AM PDT by arthurus
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In this article, Gary Leupp has presented nothing new about Islam or history. All the information he has given is well known. And he has explained nothing that is not already widely and thoroughly understood by the American public.

However he has presented rather well the dominant "Liberal" paradigm.

This is a paradigm that is widely accepted as fact by millions of Americans. It is a delusional system, based largely on denial and false premises, and dangerous because it ignores reality.

"Some...criticize Islam (appropriately, in my view) for what they consider backward and reactionary features. This is not the place to deal with such criticisms, nor am I the right person to do it."
Leupp is definitely not the right person to do this because he can not see the realities, blinded as he is by delusion, denial, and paradigm paralysis.

However, this article is the place to deal with such criticisms.

Leupp obviously cannot see and denies the importance of the backward and reactionary features inherent in and basic to Islam. The September 11 massacre stripped away the illusions that millions of people had about Islam and Muslims--i.e. they became disillusioned--but Leupp experienced no such epiphany.

Islam is a imperialist movement, committed to world domination, to intolerance, and to violence and war as strategy. Leupp is unable or unwilling to recognize this, and evidently so are the millions of "Liberals" who are deluded by the same "Liberal" paradigm.

"Christendom underwent the Enlightenment-an evolution towards secularism, rationalism, and scientific thought in the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries-which the Islamic world, in general, has not yet experienced. To become "modern" (more specifically, to become capitalist), the West had to become more ideologically tolerant (i.e., less religious), and allow a freer market in ideas than had been possible when the Church monopolized learning. "
This is an extremely important point.

Leupp obviously does not recognize its importance.

His mind immediately jumps to the brutality and intolerance of Christians centuries ago--witch hunts, the Inquisition, even the Crusades, which for most people in the West are ancient history, hardly relevant in today's world.

The point that is overriding in its importance is that in contemporary Western Civilization, the fruits of the Enlightenment are taken for granted. They are accepted. Secularism, rationalism, and scientific thought--freedom of religion, freedom of speech, seperation of religion and state, a free market of ideas, tolerance--are the accepted norm in the West.

This is not true in the Islamic world.

The Church has not monopolized learning in the West for centuries.

Leupp is so horrified by the residual currents of Christian fundamentalism in Western society, that he cannot understand the relative impotence and unimportance of such fundamentalism in the West and the strength, power, and importance of fundamentalism in the Islamic world. He cannot resist equating the two. He cannot bring himself to believe the obvious truth: that Christian fundamentalism is of practically no threat but that the threat of Islamic fundamentalism is real and cannot be overemphasized.

"If mullahs monopolize education in much of the Muslim world, they serve a function identical with that of Europe's medieval Catholic clergy. "
Here again, Leupp cannot see the reality of the situation.

He compares the control of religious fundamentalists in contemporary Islamic theocracies with the control of the Catholic clergy in medieval Europe. The two are centuries apart.

He cannot see the effects of the Enlightenment on Western Civilization. And he is blind to the absence of such effects in the Islamic world.

He assumes that the Islamic world will experience such effects ("an evolution towards secularism, rationalism, and scientific thought in the seventeenth and eighteenth centuries-which the Islamic world, in general, has not yet experienced") as he completely ignores the possibility that the Islamic world has no intention of experiencing such effects, may never do so, and is openly determined to reverse such effects once it conquers the West.

"The American people are, I submit, far more threatened by Christian fundamentalism than its Islamic counterpart."
This is the crux of Leupp's argument and its basic fallacy.

Thought he is correct that "our Enlightenment is not irreversable", he cannot see the vast improbability of that.

The fruits of the Enlightenment are deeply intreanched in Western Civilization and have replaced religious fundamentalism though not religion.

In fact--this is quite close to the crux of the conflict between Islam and the West.

It is true that Muslims would like to replace Christianity and all other religious with Islam, but it is equally important for them to replace the Enlightenment with fundamentalism!

Leupp's article is a good explanation of the warped thinking of contemporary "Liberals".

Blinded by delusions and denial, obsessed with the brutality and intolerance of Christians centuries ago, they cannot see the vast differences between the "Enlightened" West of the 21st century and the intolerant, imperialist, Dark Age world of contemporary Islam.

Of even more importance, blinded as they are by the "Liberal" delusional system, they cannot comprehend the serious threat that Islamic imperialism poses to the entire world.

They ignore the superiority of Western Civilization to Islam and the need to defend and protect it.

They ignore the determination of Muslims to overthrow Western Civilization, constitutional government, liberty, and the Enlightenment--along with all other religions--and to replace it all with a worldwide Islamic fundamentalist theocracy, with the Koran as its only constitution and the sharia as its law.

Because of the delusional "Liberal" paradigm--which blinds "Liberals" to the dangerous realities of the 21st century--"Liberals" and "Liberalism" constitute the single greatest threat to the world today. They are the enablers of those--notably though certainly not exclusively Muslims--who would reverse the Enlightenment and destroy Western Civilization.

Unwittingly, Gary Leupp has explained the delusional "Liberal" paradigm rather well. In doing so, he has revealed the foolishness of this "Liberal" paradigm and those who accept it and just why those who think clearly and are willing to see reality overwhelming reject this foolish paradigm and are way ahead of "Liberals" and far superior to them in evaluating the reality of the dangerous world in which we all live today.

16 posted on 08/19/2002 6:51:41 AM PDT by Savage Beast
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BOOKMARK for later reading.
17 posted on 08/19/2002 6:56:49 AM PDT by mel
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In understanding Islam, Americans should give some thought to one of the pivotal episodes in world history, the Crusades, or Wars of the Cross, that ripped up the Holy Land between 1096 and 1291.

Okay, I gues that means those Arab armies heading into France in 732 were just looking for some cheese to go with their wine, that the conquest of Sicily and the sack of Rome in the 9th century by Arabs was just something we should get over, that Moslem pirates on the coast of the Riviera were really misled by their travel agent, that the destruction of the Holy Sepulchre by the Turks some decades before the First Crusade is just an example of urban renewal, and that the descendants of all the Christians and Africans enslaved by Arabs and Turks for over a thousand years will soon get reparations.

Ha! This guy call himself a professor of history? So the Crusaders are the bad guys after all this? You don't think that they might have been provoked? Does he really think that it's okay for Arabs and Moslems to do whatever they want to infidels? Is Western Civilization not perfect enpough for his refined sensibilities? Would he have preferred that we just surrender, have Charles Martel hand over the keys to the city, keep the Ottomans from all the wasteful spending on cannons by opening the gates of Constantinople, let John Sobieski use his Polish cavalry to batter down the gates of Vienna so the Turks can have a nice visit, just give Spain back to the Arabs and have Columbus find the New World for those nice people (who would never hurt or enslave anyone, unlike the Spanish), and send over American sailors to the Barbary Coast so we can improve their navy for them and then they wouldn't be tempted to raid our ships?

It's not us; it's them!!!! For the last ten thousandth time, they have the problem, professor, not us!!!!

18 posted on 08/19/2002 7:16:43 AM PDT by Tancred
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This guy is a very good propagandist. He's also a thoroughly unamerican puke.

****Jewish settlement and terrorism (well-documented by the Jewish Israeli historian Ilan Pappe) resulted in the displacement of 750,000 Palestinian Arabs (including both Christians and Muslims). ****

Notice how 'settlement' and 'terrorism' are one and the same to this nazi. No mention of the FACT that any Arab who wished to live in peace with the Israelis was given full citizenship and rights.

Make no mistake about it ... Israel is the problem for islamists and their apologists. Their foundational 'ground of being' philosophy is that the Jews must be driven out of the ME.

Well geopolitically the Jews have as much right to Israel as any other group and they have certainly established their claim by turning that land into a fruitful paradise compared to anything the Arabs ever did with it.

The Jews gave indiginous Arabs citizenship. All the Arabs have ever given the Jews is murder.

The Arabs have proven themselves unworthy of anything they demand. Israel should drive them out of Israel and to hell with the rest of the world's opinion.
22 posted on 08/19/2002 11:07:47 AM PDT by mercy
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As an educator, in Asian Studies, at a fairly elite university I am painfully aware of this ignorance.

But not so elite as to preclude the misuse of commas, I see.

24 posted on 08/19/2002 1:26:22 PM PDT by nravoter
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Too many inaccuracies and errors to attempt a critique here. I have heard it all before and it is the same rant all subversive socialistic atheists proffer when they expound on any political subject.

He is headed for a very uncomfortable future.

27 posted on 08/19/2002 4:01:08 PM PDT by nightdriver
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This Needed to be BARFED!!!! Just like the following of the same ilk...

This is a WorldNetDaily printer-friendly version of the article which follows.
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Monday, August 19, 2002



Commemorating 9-11: Blaming America, exonerating Islam

Posted: August 19, 2002
1:00 a.m. Eastern

By Michael Medved


© 2002 WorldNetDaily.com

As we approach the first anniversary of the Sept. 11 attacks, what should we teach our children about the most devastating terrorist massacres in history?

According to recommendations provided by the nation's largest teacher's union, the most important points to emphasize involve the importance of "tolerance" and "diversity." The National Education Association links its website to a detailed list of "Tips for Parents and Schools Regarding the Anniversary of Sept. 11, 2001," prepared by Dr. Brian Lippincott of John F. Kennedy University in Orinda, Calif. Professor Lippincott insists that commemorative programs must avoid any suggestion that Islamic fanaticism can be blamed for the attacks, and that the most important way to protect ourselves from future assaults is to embrace all religions and sexual orientations.

Actually, the "Key Messages" recommended in his paper for anniversary celebrations include such politically correct nostrums as the declaration that "Violence and hate are never solutions to anger" and "America is strong because of our diversity," and "History shows us that intolerance only causes harm." According to Professor Lippincott, the prime example of such "intolerance" involves America's monstrous crimes against its own citizens. "We must not repeat terrible mistakes," he writes, demanding discussion of "historical instances of American intolerance. Internment of Japanese Americans after Pearl Harbor and the backlash against Arab Americans during the Gulf War are obvious examples."

Examples of what, precisely? Of America's unprecedented goodness and generosity? Even at the height of the Gulf War (and, so far, during the War on Terror), Arab Americans experienced no significant "backlash" – continuing to enjoy full civil rights and to sustain the conspicuous success that has characterized this hard-working ethnic group for nearly a century.

The NEA materials not only lie about past persecution of Islamic Americans, but also offer a grotesque distortion of current world affairs. Among the "Tips for Parents and Teachers," Lippincott suggests that we must "Address the issue of blame factually … Do not suggest any group is responsible." In other words, educators should avoid the implication that al-Qaida and the worldwide network of Islamic fanatics had something to do with the slaughter of Americans. "We have no reason to believe that the attacks on our country were part of an organized plan of any other country," the curriculum materials insist. "The terrorists acted independently without the sanctions of any nation."

What about Afghanistan, which welcomed Osama bin Laden as an "honored guest"? What about Saudi Arabia, which continues to raise money through telethons and the royal family to support international terrorism? What about Iraq, which lavishly praised the 9-11 attacks as a heroic blow against America?

According to the education establishment, we should avoid such unpleasant observations because "protecting against harassment of our Arab American classmates and neighbors is most critical right now. … We must embrace these values toward all Americans for all time. This includes race, religions, ethnicity, sexual orientation, and those with special needs."

Such pronouncements might seem merely ludicrous and laughable were they not so pathetically representative of the moral relativism that dominates elite opinion less than a year after 9-11. America remains the most tolerant and generous of nations, and incidents of persecution of Muslims and Arab Americans remain blessedly rare and relatively mild. Nevertheless, the relativists use paranoia over potential anti-Arab frenzy to stifle any honest discussion of patently dangerous – and deadly – elements in Islamic tradition.

Even the most cursory examination of the contemporary Muslim world would reveal profound religious and cultural dysfunction, with abject poverty, gross violation of human rights, and some of the most corrupt and vicious dictatorships on earth. The National Education Association, however, insists that teachers ignore these realities, because calling attention to them might undermine the unquestionable assumption that no religious tradition is more destructive, and no culture is more admirable, than others.

The most striking aspect of the materials promoted by the NEA involves the utter absence of any patriotic or pro-American messages – indeed, the only suggestion about emphasizing our history involves discussing "historical instances of American intolerance." In this "Alice-in-Wonderland" world of political correctness, we are supposed to mark the Sept. 11 anniversary with no mention of the brave people in our military who continue to risk their lives to protect our safety, and no hint as to why American values under present assault might be worth preserving and defending.

In the midst of World War II, a few Americans actively sympathized with the enemy – the pro-Mussolini poet Ezra Pound, and the Japanese propagandist Tokyo Rose come readily to mind. No one suggested, however, that we must avoid blaming Germany or Japan for the war because to do so might encourage "intolerance" of the Nazis or Axis sympathizers in our midst.

Let American Muslims declare their loyalty to this country, and their horrified rejection of Islamic fanaticism in all its forms. Indeed, most (but not all) Muslims in this country have taken precisely that stand. But it makes no sense to invoke the mantras of "diversity" and "inclusion" as a basis for denying the clear moral elements in this current struggle, or ignoring the obvious contrast between America and our bloodthirsty enemies. Tolerance may represent a worthy value, but it is evil and destructive to tolerate the intolerable.



31 posted on 08/19/2002 4:23:55 PM PDT by Paul Ross
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"We should invade [Muslim] countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity."

Columnist Ann Coulter, National Review Online, Sept. 13, 2001



sounds good and how about this one

Islam is the Enemy as the religion is false!..
37 posted on 08/19/2002 5:14:03 PM PDT by TLBSHOW
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Now I know that PhD really means Piled Higher and Deeper. What a bunch of crap.
38 posted on 08/19/2002 5:30:26 PM PDT by Militiaman7
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People with power and influence in the US have been saying some very stupid things about Islam and about Muslims since September 11. Some of it is rooted in conscious malice, and ethnic prejudice that spills over into religious bigotry.

This would also describe the "Nuke Mecca, Deport ALL Muslims from America" Racist, Bigoted Haters here on Free Republic.

41 posted on 09/05/2002 1:56:23 PM PDT by Johnny Shear
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