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Simon slips
Mercury News ^ | 8/18/02

Posted on 08/18/2002 9:37:21 AM PDT by NormsRevenge

Edited on 04/13/2004 3:29:42 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

DEFEATING an incumbent governor is akin to climbing Mt. Whitney, doable but difficult. Bill Simon isn't gaining altitude; he spent the past two weeks marching down into Death Valley.

Simon's route to the governor's office is longer and steeper than it was when he startled the political world in March by snatching the Republican nomination away from the consensus favorite, former Los Angeles Mayor Richard Riordan.


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TOPICS: Editorial; Government; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: calgov2002; california; knife; simon; slips
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1 posted on 08/18/2002 9:37:21 AM PDT by NormsRevenge
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To: NormsRevenge
The general consensus is that the Simon campaign is finished. My feeling is that there are still a few weeks left to gather some momentum. Davis is hardly an attractive candidate.

Are there any debates scheduled? That could be critical.

2 posted on 08/18/2002 10:12:44 AM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: *calgov2002; Ernest_at_the_Beach
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3 posted on 08/18/2002 10:32:49 AM PDT by Free the USA
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To: NormsRevenge
Too bad he didn't get out and let Riorden have it.

Looking back, at least Riorden would be better than Davis.

With the rookie Simon, we seem to be doomed to 4 more years of Davis in California.

Very sad. Very poor performance by Simon so far.

There will be no last second come-back!.

In the major elections here, that doesn't happen.
4 posted on 08/18/2002 10:54:09 AM PDT by A CA Guy
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To: NormsRevenge
Simon's route to the governor's office is longer and steeper than it was when he startled the political world in March by snatching the Republican nomination away from the consensus favorite, former Los Angeles Mayor Richard Riordin

Simon is a candidate like many other. He has a number of negatives. With negatives there is only one successful way to handle them. That is get the information out early and often before the press becomes interested. Otherwise your opponet will kill you with them. Simon has opted to be a target. It is a dumb way to handle your own negatives.

For example if income tax returns contain things that may cause problems if exposed, a candidate should expose them himself and send the exposure to every reporter in the state. He should do that before he officially announces his candidacy. If a reporter is burried in information about the taxes of a not certain candidate not likely to win, it does not register with the reporter as as a major story that needs to be covere. If the candidate then wins the nomination, reporters won't do much to expand on the the half paragraph story they wrote a month ago. When not likely candiates poor in tons of info reporters start a story with the line, "Long shot Candidate X Publishes full tax information in an effort to gain publicity and put pressure his opponent." Months later when the other side tries to point out the nasty things in the income tax returns, the media will not cover the facts. They will cover the motives of the attacker. They will speculate on Davis's motives in accusing Simon. To do otherwise the media would have to admit they had the evidence but never looked at it.

Only if Davis accuses and Simon refuses to provide fill disclosure does the media depart from the story being about the information providers motives. This situation just shows how amatuer the Simon canpaign is. It most likley shows how little the Candidate understands about what he is doing. No campaign manager with a modicum of experience would let Simon do the dumb things he has done. It seems certain that Simon's campaign manager tried to prevent Simon from doing what he did.

In summary, "Old news" worked for Clinton. It does not work as well for Repubicans, but it works a lot better than any alternative yet discovered.

Those running for office must settle suits before the campaign starts or stall them until after the election is over. Simon, should have noted the trial venue and the case against his firm, and not fight it when there was going to be a decision before the election. The only exuse is Simon's belief that he would win the suit. That is not very bright. He lost the suit. Unless he wins the appeal before the election, the "I will win on appeal" response has all the power of O.J. looking for the real killer. It is self destructive amatuer politics.

There is a high probability that Davis has not shot his best shots at Simon. Davis will save his best 3 shots for 6 weeks, 4 weeks, and 2 weeks before the election. The most powerful shot will be made 2 weeks before the election. Simon has no money to respond and the media will not help him.

Simon has from the beginning accused the DNC and Bush of not Raising money for him. That is typical of a poor little rich boy who is used to having Daddy fix everything. No one ever had to raise money for a Bush, Clinton, Reagan or Gore. It is the people who do not have leadership abilities that have trouble raising money.

It has been my experience that a candidate that can't raise enough money on his own, can't govern on his own either.

A potential Governor who can't get people to give him money to run, will not get state employees to do what he says. It does not matter what such a candidates postions are if he can't get state employees to do what he wants them to do.


5 posted on 08/18/2002 10:55:32 AM PDT by Common Tator
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This getting Simon in then losing to Davis was a major concern I had in the primary.

It has come home to hit us hard here.

Maybe this will teach all of us at FR a lesson for the future. Sometimes we have to go with the lesser of two evils on the way to a good person that we want.

This has been like throwing your vote away on Libertarians.
Very bad for California.

Even SUVs might remain under attack!
6 posted on 08/18/2002 10:58:11 AM PDT by A CA Guy
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To: Common Tator
He is running poorly as Bush #1 did against Clinton.

Bush #1 made the same last few week push and he lost as well.

Welcome FR's in CA who voted agaist Riordan for Simon to the real world.

Learn the lesson. We are about to be stuck with a guy that was easily removable IMO!
7 posted on 08/18/2002 11:00:57 AM PDT by A CA Guy
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I'm off this thread, Davis/Simon gets me too agrivated.
8 posted on 08/18/2002 11:02:12 AM PDT by A CA Guy
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To: A CA Guy
I posted the same thoughts a week or so ago
and got blasted as having no principles, not
understanding Calif. politics, etc. The truth is
that the hard right wing pissed away the state
of California to the democrats and Davis. This is
the same crowd that can't wait to vote foe Pat Buchannan
in 2004.
9 posted on 08/18/2002 11:08:50 AM PDT by dwilli
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To: A CA Guy
This getting Simon in then losing to Davis was a major concern I had in the primary.

It was the plan, for Davis to assist the Republicans in getting Simon to be the candidate.

Little did the Republicans know just what a weak candidate Simon would be. I am not talking about Simon's issue positions, policies. I am talking about running a common sense, competent campaign.

So far, he and his team appear to be incompetent. They remind me of Palestinians "...never missing an opportunity to miss an opportunity..."

10 posted on 08/18/2002 11:10:25 AM PDT by truth_seeker
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11 posted on 08/18/2002 11:19:14 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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Be sure and see this:

Is Gray Davis Looting California Retirement Funds?

12 posted on 08/18/2002 11:21:43 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: NormsRevenge
alot of articles about Simons demise,last I checked Davis can't pull over 50%.
13 posted on 08/18/2002 11:24:27 AM PDT by linn37
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To: truth_seeker
Palestinians are a different issue, they and the rest of Islam uses the Jews as a focus to keep themselves from killing each other.
There is no intention of peace there.

Simon is toast, correct!
14 posted on 08/18/2002 11:25:23 AM PDT by A CA Guy
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To: A CA Guy
Too bad he didn't get out and let Riorden have it.

No, it's too bad Simon won, and has proceeded to try and blur the differences between him and Riordan.

Thus far, the floundering campaign Simon has run is the same shakey-kneed, ashamed of Repubicanism, fret-fest that Riordan would have run, with less money.

That said, I'm not as down in the dumps as you are... comebacks do happen in California, as Pete Wilson showed in 1994. It's early August, and most voters aren't focusing on the campaign yet, and won't for another few weeks. Davis' negatives aren't going to change, there are 45% of the people here who will never vote for him. He needs 10 out 11 of the rest to win.

Was Simon the ideal candidate? No, but neither was Riordan. The RNC advisors need to do better than to keep foisting wimpy, cowardly campaigns on California, like those of Dan Lundgren, Matt Fong, and Tom Campbell.

It's the Republican leadership that needs to learn a lesson.




15 posted on 08/18/2002 11:34:00 AM PDT by Sabertooth
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To: Sabertooth
Be sure and read this one:

Is Gray Davis Looting California Retirement Funds?

16 posted on 08/18/2002 11:45:40 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach
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To: NormsRevenge
I would love to see how, but I just can't see Simon winning now. He is sinking in the polls, Davis is blitz negative advertising, Simon is laying off workers, and the Bush white house is using a 10 foot poll to even come close to touching Simon, spin from the White House and Simon are a joke on that matter.

Bush could fire up Air Force 1 and hold a rally for Simon in Orange County this week if he wanted to do so. He doesn't. He believes Simon is toast. How anybody could lose to Gray out Davis baffles me, but Simon is getting ready to do so. Davis only has 2 positives. Incumbancy and money. With his negatives, he should have been easy pickings. This is so sad, that words don't do it any justice.

17 posted on 08/18/2002 11:51:30 AM PDT by dogbyte12
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To: Dog Gone
My feeling is that there are still a few weeks left to gather some momentum

play the Condit card!

18 posted on 08/18/2002 11:56:07 AM PDT by alrea
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To: linn37
Too Bad the Negativists got here first. Buh Bye ... See you in 2004. Oh well!

Re: Debates? I dont know anything more then anyone else, but I hope they meet at least once. It might cut into GrayouT's fundraising schedule tho', so .. :-)

Its all about perception, Simon will need to use both wit and humor, radio and TV to try to beat back the tides of pessisism .. Nothing new here... Can it be done? Sure. GraYouT has the largest negatives of his career .. And they are growing Rapidly .. :-)
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GO SIMON

19 posted on 08/18/2002 11:57:57 AM PDT by NormsRevenge
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To: Dog Gone
It's like that old scoreboard use to read outside the Coliseum in Rome -

LIONS 42 - CHRISTIANS 0

Mr. Simon is awfully long on Christians (no pun intended)
20 posted on 08/18/2002 11:58:05 AM PDT by SEGUET
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