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Letter defends killer [from Captain Emma Shlarp of Constitutional Republic - Massillon, Ohio]
Beacon Journal (Akron, OHIO) ^ | Aug. 14, 2002 | Beacon Journal staff writer Ed Meyer contributed

Posted on 08/15/2002 9:08:14 AM PDT by ResistorSister

A letter discovered over the weekend at a makeshift memorial for Eric B. Taylor, the 31-year-old Massillon patrolman killed in a shootout Friday night, defends his killer and predicts that more police officers will die in traffic stops.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events; US: Ohio
KEYWORDS: inthelineofduty; massillon
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To: one_particular_harbour
He wasn't a Constitutionalist. He was a Quixotic, delusional psychotic freak who had an obsession with an incorrect interpretation of the document.

You have quite a way with words...

The only problem is there are more like him out there.

161 posted on 08/15/2002 12:48:53 PM PDT by Texas Mom
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To: Cultural Jihad
OK...I looked into this, and now I understand what this is mostly about...some FReepers are using this story to clobber other FReepers about the head and neck.

The same old crap. Nothing new.

Well, have fun. I've got better things to do.

162 posted on 08/15/2002 12:48:55 PM PDT by B Knotts
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To: Kenton
No. Geez, I guess there is more than one "speed trap" small town in, Ohio. ;-)
163 posted on 08/15/2002 12:49:55 PM PDT by ResistorSister
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To: B Knotts
I'll clobber a deluded, cop-killing sympathizing, Matthews bum-boy, tinfoily, the-cop-deserved-it FReeper any day of the week.
164 posted on 08/15/2002 12:53:55 PM PDT by wimpycat
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To: one_particular_harbour
While we are having to continuously disavow the fringe elements, the left are embracing theirs and looking "unified". It's tough work being on the right side.
165 posted on 08/15/2002 12:56:18 PM PDT by goodieD
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To: ResistorSister
I guess there is more than one "speed trap" small town in, Ohio. ;-)

There was a notorious one in Monroe. Speed limit in town was 30 mph, until you hit one block that had a posted limit of 15 mph. There was always a cop parked right there.

Ever try to drive 15 miles an hour?

166 posted on 08/15/2002 12:58:04 PM PDT by hellinahandcart
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To: wimpycat
These threads bring out the wackos on all sides, so I generally avoid them.
167 posted on 08/15/2002 12:58:11 PM PDT by B Knotts
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To: hellinahandcart
Ever try to drive 15 miles an hour?

Only in reverse! (*grin*)

168 posted on 08/15/2002 1:04:07 PM PDT by ResistorSister
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To: cynicom
Homeland security is tailored to please the "poor" left (no profiling), while the rich "right" can be protected. In fact Homeland is only there to protect the interests of the elite and Bush's close friends.

Just make the math. To counter an illegal at the border living on a budget of 50cents a day without water, we pay a border patrol agent $35,000 a year! We give them this pay because they protect costly assets of the collective and owned or in custody of the individual elite. We would not pay that much if it was to protect the individual citizen.

To protect the indvidual citizen an electic fence would be used as well as unpaid volunteers so as to compete economicaly with 50cents a day illegals. However the elite prefers to protect its own assets with personal border patrol agents over which they have full control and who are well paid, with salaries proportional to the properties they protect, and not to compete with the budget of the threat or the livelyhood of the average Joe whom these people hope will be diluted anyways ultimately.

The error however lays in their worships. They will not be able to worship failing powers for very much longer, the left or the right. They will have to come to terms with the reality that America was built to protect the seat of power as it was empty, because none can pretend to take the messianic role of being in power. Hence the checks and balances to make sure we all have leaders whose sole objective is to never take power, but to protect it, empty.

So they go frenetically looking for solutions that will not solve anything. Speed limit law does make some sense, though a citizen can have emergencies (why only the government has emergency vehicles???) and should be allowed to speed with sirens on and then explain to the cops why they did that ultimately. But you see, again, emergency vehicles are only to serve those who have power and money. We the average people cannot earn such protections.

Seat belt laws are completely out of line. Because wearing a seatbelt does not affect the risk of other drivers. Quite the contrary, one drives more slowly without seatbelts. In fact everyone should be allowed to take reasonable risks.

Take a cop stopping someone on the highway. Now tell me this is not dangerous. Cops get killed every year chopped by trucks on the highway. Yet when they stop us they tell us we were not driving safely. Who are these hypocrits kidding!!!

But confining with a firearm on the side someone because they have no seat belt is a blatant violation of their non-violating jurisdiction. THey never violated anyone's jurisdiction when they did that. This is a stupid law brought about by leftists and other elites because it fits their agenda, whatever that is.

I certainly think it is stupid to get into a fight with a cop over a seat belt, and I believe we should sue instead people. Hurt them in their wallets, make them miserable. This we can win without shooting a single bullet and not killing ourselves or playing heros. Consitutionalists annoy me when they believe it takes a hero. It simply does not. It's a dumb way of thinking. BUt if a cop gets killed by someone believing the cop was doing a felony confinement that required use of deadly force, I am sorry, but the killer had a point, if however reckless and heroic stupid martyr like mean it was.

Still I personaly believe the cop was right in this Massillon case and should have never been aggressed, that is, if we are told the truth about the speeding ticket issue.

169 posted on 08/15/2002 1:06:43 PM PDT by lavaroise
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To: Cultural Jihad


Yes. Be aware these are the same loons who claimed the WTC attack was caused not by terrorists who flew planes into buildings, but by the Federal government's policies. They are ideologues, not patriots. They have more in common with Marx and Lenin and Kropotkin than with Washington and Jefferson and Thoreau.
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Luddite ravings? Could be.
170 posted on 08/15/2002 1:07:59 PM PDT by tpaine
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To: B Knotts
Me too. Take care.
171 posted on 08/15/2002 1:11:28 PM PDT by Fred Mertz
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To: Cultural Jihad
Are traffic stops for speeding perfectly legal and Constitutional, by the way?

I think traffic laws would be Constitutional when they come from the States.

I think this guy believed that the police officers, had not been duly authorized to stop or arrest anyone because they are not required to take an oath.

Please correct me if I am wrong.

172 posted on 08/15/2002 1:26:35 PM PDT by carenot
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To: carenot
I've never heard of federal traffic laws. I think all traffic laws are at the state level. Unless, of course, the roads happen to be on federal property.
173 posted on 08/15/2002 1:28:13 PM PDT by wimpycat
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To: wimpycat
I'll clobber a deluded, cop-killing sympathizing, Matthews bum-boy, tinfoily, the-cop-deserved-it FReeper any day of the week.

Please explain who you are talking about.

174 posted on 08/15/2002 1:33:59 PM PDT by carenot
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To: Dead Corpse; exodus


"exodus has some theories that are walking on EXTREMELY thin ice and possibly verging on the absurd. However, no one has ALL the facts yet and there is quite a bit of rhetoric flying around."
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Yes indeed, thin ice.
-- But some are calling him a liar for noting that the murder weapon has not been positivily established, thus leaving open the slim possibility of friendly fire.
-- Which of course, would NOT absolve him of responsibility for murder.
-- Charges of 'lying' though , at this stage, are indeed empty, overtblown rhetoric.

175 posted on 08/15/2002 1:36:46 PM PDT by tpaine
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To: one_particular_harbour
Agreed. The cumulative effect of these wacko "militia" groups is to give anybody who questions governmental actions a bad name.
176 posted on 08/15/2002 1:41:00 PM PDT by Bob Quixote
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To: lavaroise
lavaroise...

Few weeks ago, I was stopped at a roadblock, four police, two cars. Everyone is stopped and told, it was for a seatbelt check. For some reason, my drivers licence was checked, along with a visual check of licence plate and inspection sticker. In the the process a visual was done of the backseat. All of this for my own good, to see that I had a seatbelt on, which was apparent from six feet away.

No problem, it does however make one wonder just what else may be added in the future, in the name of security and my own good.

As I have said before, we all have different points at which enough becomes enough. Bending the law does lead to problems.

177 posted on 08/15/2002 1:41:00 PM PDT by cynicom
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To: lavaroise
Wow!

lavaroise<<<<<<<<What he said!

178 posted on 08/15/2002 1:43:11 PM PDT by carenot
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To: tpaine
You must have missed the one where an investigator reported from the county coroner that the bullet he pulled from the cops body was a 7.62X25.

Ohio State Patrol.

I may have missed it, but it looks like it was an Ohio State Trooper that made the original stop.

179 posted on 08/15/2002 1:48:13 PM PDT by Dead Corpse
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To: carenot
Please explain who you are talking about.

Uhhh...I think you need to look for yourself. You and I were on the same thread yesterday (or the day before), and I've been on this thread today. I've explained it umpteen times already and if you don't understand what my point is by now, then I'm sorry, but there's nothing I can do about it.

180 posted on 08/15/2002 1:56:39 PM PDT by wimpycat
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