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Torricelli's Re-election Chances Downgraded on Aug. 4th
The Political Oddsmaker ^ | 8/4/02 | N/A

Posted on 08/06/2002 5:42:03 AM PDT by Coop

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To: Brookhaven
I hope you're right. If the polls are still showing a dead heat come Election Day, I think the Torch gets snuffed. [politically speaking, of course]
21 posted on 08/06/2002 10:10:04 AM PDT by Coop
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To: Brookhaven; Coop; Exit148; sandydipper
This reminds me of Herman Talmadge's (GA senator) problems...

Then what happened, after he was "un-elected"? Did he by any chance go on and get into some other trouble, end up in jail, and thus lose his lifetime pension?

Still hoping the "Torch" will get some real justice, LoL...but losing re-election would be a great start, and what's a few more hundred-thousand bucks, all things considered?!

22 posted on 08/06/2002 10:44:38 AM PDT by 88keys
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To: 88keys
This reminds me of Herman Talmadge's (GA senator) problems... Then what happened, after he was "un-elected"? Did he by any chance go on and get into some other trouble, end up in jail, and thus lose his lifetime pension?

No. In fact the Democrats in the state house had a bronze statue made of him and placed it across the street from the state capitol. I can remember someone on a radio show at the time saying they should have made it with money sticking out of his pockets so everyone would remember why he get thrown out of office in the first place.

24 posted on 08/06/2002 10:51:06 AM PDT by Brookhaven
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To: zhabotinsky
Funny! And most likely true, unfortunately.
25 posted on 08/06/2002 11:04:31 AM PDT by Coop
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To: 88keys
Bump
26 posted on 08/06/2002 6:26:40 PM PDT by Coop
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To: Coop
Just looking at it from a historical perspective, my friend.

FYI: I don't believe very much in polls. Especially if the race is close. The only one I will bank on is the poll taken on election day. The only one that really counts.

How about you?

27 posted on 08/07/2002 5:39:18 AM PDT by FatherFig1o155
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
It amazes me that a US Senator can squeak past a criminal prosecution, get horse-slapped by a friendly ethics committee, and still find support among a majority of voters. You'd think there would be a chorus of bi-partisan voices demanding Torricelli's resignation.

Most loyalty is to party now and not country. You're right, our political process has become so corrupted it will take a lot work to correct and I'm not sure the majority of the population is smart enough to figure it out.

28 posted on 08/07/2002 5:42:49 AM PDT by ladtx
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To: FatherFig1o155
The only one I will bank on is the poll taken on election day. The only one that really counts. How about you?

After mid Nov the only one I'll pay attention to is the final vote total. Prior to the election, I'll maintain an interest in all polls from all sources, viewing each as having only 95% confidence, and knowing that a poll's sponsor will have an impact on the poll results.

For those who say polls mean nothing, they're not being realistic. They're certainly not a guarantee, but they do affect public perception/voter enthusiasm and fundraising.

29 posted on 08/07/2002 5:44:40 AM PDT by Coop
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To: BikerNYC
It does happen both ways.

And yeah, I would say it if I lived in AZ and believed it to be true.

30 posted on 08/07/2002 5:45:16 AM PDT by FatherFig1o155
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To: FatherFig1o155
Just looking at it from a historical perspective, my friend.

Historical perspective? Go back and look at some recent Senate incumbents with re-elect numbers like Bob Torricelli. See how they fared. You can start with Rod Grams.

31 posted on 08/07/2002 5:46:03 AM PDT by Coop
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To: Coop
After mid Nov the only one I'll pay attention to is the final vote total.

That's the one I'm talking about.

For those who say polls mean nothing, they're not being realistic. They're certainly not a guarantee, but they do affect public perception/voter enthusiasm and fundraising.

For me, polls mean nothing. They don't persuade or dissuade me at all. I'll continue to work for my candidate whether she/he is 20 points ahead or behind.

32 posted on 08/07/2002 5:55:10 AM PDT by FatherFig1o155
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To: Coop
Sorry. I was talking NJ history. Local up through Congressional.
33 posted on 08/07/2002 5:58:10 AM PDT by FatherFig1o155
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To: FatherFig1o155
As you should. For those of us not familiar with races in certain areas, however, polls and fundraising are the only tangible measurements of those races. You may not like polls (I'm not fond of how, with the help of a liberal media, they affect voter perceptions), but they're not going away.
34 posted on 08/07/2002 5:58:37 AM PDT by Coop
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To: FatherFig1o155
Sorry. I was talking NJ history. Local up through Congressional.

I understand. 30 years since the GOP last won a Senate seat. But I bet (and I really don't know, just guessing) that none of those races had an incumbent Dem with awful numbers like these.

Hey, the Torch is still in a position to win, but he's hurting.

35 posted on 08/07/2002 5:59:54 AM PDT by Coop
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To: 1Old Pro
Didn't Marion Barry get re-elected in D.C. after a cocaine conviction?

You're right, but you're not giving the sorry episode its full due: He was re-elected in DC after serving a Prison sentence imposed after he was caught on surveillance tape smoking crack while he was mayor!!! IMHO this confirms the abject stupidity of the DC voters and shows that they lack the minimum adult comprehension to be released from the stewardship of the US Government.

Idiots.

Anyways, lets not forget Torch's proudest moment when, during the Senate hearings investigating the Chinese connection to our "stolen" (read sold) nuclear secrets, he stood up and solemnly relayed how he remembered viewing the Senate hearings on the Mafia as a child and how much they hurt him because he too is an Italian-American (bite bottom lip for cameras) and he hoped that Chinese-Americans weren't similarly being villainized.

Of course any first year journalism student was able to confirm that the hearings he referenced were actually held before he was born and they weren't available on tape. Sigh, the man actually lacks the intellectual horsepower to fashion even a possible lie.

36 posted on 08/07/2002 6:15:56 AM PDT by MichiganMan
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