In-House Wars: For at least one, the goal was to drive people away.

Admin Moderator | 8-2-02 | Admin Moderator

[justshe]

(Regarding the answer to stopping the 'in-house wars')

The answer is for everyone to just stop doing it.

I know that is hard for some, because things have gotten to the point where now things are personal. There are wounds in some cases, and in others there is anger. Makes it really hard for people to stand down. Unfortunately, I am pretty sure it has been planned this way.

Earlier tonight thanks to a tip from someone who I wish I had listened to earlier, we discovered someone who had at least 8 different accounts. One bashed Horowitz, Swaggert, and Art Bell. Another bashed Keyes. Another posted as a rabid Keyester. Another posted as a Klayman basher. Several seemed to have a thing for mocking Registered.

What was the guy's game? Here is a graphic and caption off of the profile of one of them:

I'm very sorry, but I just couldn't stand all the fighting any longer!

Yes, he wanted to get people fighting to where they would walk away.

One of this guy's incarnations posted a piece or two from anarchist website strike-the-root, which to me hints to what his ideology is. It would also explain why he had a knack for going after the DC chapter folks. I recall nrkybill (anarchy Bill) had some issues with you all. They are not the same people, I don't think, but if their ideology is the same and their main targets are the same, then it is possible that there is some connection.

Obviously, the goal is to drive people away. This is not happening on just one side, it is happening on all sides. It is a form of disruption that relies on the cover of good people engaging in flame wars with them so that the disruptors seem part of the mass rather than the agent provocatuers that they are.

There are two options, really. People can help us out in finding them by refusing to take part in the flame wars and being understanding when a person gets sent to the cooler, so that eventually the real problem children are rooted out.

And the other option is to let them win by letting them drive you away- with you being people from every single conservative faction we have. Rest assured though, if that one happens, if you make another home and it starts being successful, they will come there and do it to you there.

I've asked this before. I'll ask it again. (And this is not aimed at you, ... but at the forum). Please stop it with the personal attacks. One can have a rip-roaring take-it-to-the-mat political debate with someone without getting personal, without resorting to childish taunts, and still not have it be bland.

And the best thing that one can do otherwise is to use a little self-enforcement. A Bushie telling a Bushie to knock off the insults is going to probably work better than a Keyester telling a Bushie to knock off the insults, and vice versa.

My flame suits are back on, so everyone have at it again. But please at least think about it. Thanks, AM

[discostu]

Well then you better work on your prose. What you said was "lack technical skill", there's a big gap between that and "development experience".

I make no qualms about the fact that my e-mail was a personal insult. You pushed me too far and my green blood boiled (both parents were Marines, my youngest aunt was a biker babe, I inherited a foul mouth). You do that a lot. It's your arguing method. I won't be sending a note like that to anyone else, you're the only person I discuss things with that's so consistently rude and insulting. Even the twits on the WOD threads have more style and grace than you.

[Bush2000]

That's not personal, it's part of the 'rip-roaring' debate.

Let's be clear, Harr. You continually call other people "shills", "apologists", "unprofessional", "inexperienced", etc. And then you have the audacity to complain about personal attacks. Do us a favor, Harr: Ram your hypocrisy where the sun don't shine.

[Bush2000]

Now I don't want you banned.

That's pretty hilarious coming from a guy who whined to the admin with complaints that news articles were "advertising".

[RedBloodedAmerican]

Keyes in an Anarchist? So will they ban anything from his site? I always suspected something odd about that fellow.

[Freebird Forever]

But when we see 8 accounts, most with 200-300 posts, that is not a person playing a joke. That is a person trying to make himself look like more than one person, and regardless of ideology it is dishonest and isn't going to be tolerated.

I wish Yahoo had people as diligent as ya'll policing some of the stock BB's I frequent.

Kudos

[Dominic Harr]

Pointing out someone lacks the "technical skills" to make an informed observation about a fine point of OS design is not a personal insult. Period.

As you said, your email *was*.

Just realize, if you had sent that FReepmail to most other FReepers, they would have had you suspended for it.

I don't want that to happen.

So in the future, consider the difference between on-topic debate and personal insults.

[discostu]

Sorry folks, wrong thread. I've reported abuse on myself. I feel such shame. Hopefully 206 will get deleted soon.

[Dominic Harr]

I've never once gone to the admin for *anything*. You should know, considering what I've let you get by with.

And no, I don't even want you banned.

[discostu]

Pointing out the fine points of OS design is not a personal assault. Stating that an entire profession lacks technical skills is. Calling someone an apologist when they don't feel like discussing the fine points of OS design because it's below the granularity of the main discussion is also a personal attack.

I do carefully consider the difference between on-topic debate and personal insults. I'm not the one that brings people's work experience into every single discussion.

[Focault's Pendulum]

I've reported abuse on myself. I feel such shame.

I've got a button for that....but it's surely going to get me a timeout.

[Dominic Harr]

I'm not the one that brings people's work experience into every single discussion.

In a technical discussion, your technical experience is *VERY* on-topic.

So please don't flame me again for bringing it up. And don't flame anyone else who brings it up. I do not want to see someone else get you in trouble.

[FreedominJesusChrist]

I knew right right away who this person was, it was ned.

And Registered and I have discussed in the past, that we thought he not only had several different accounts, but was also a liberal disrupter. I kept my mouth shut simply because I wasn't sure.

[FreedominJesusChrist]

Another account that I suspect ned had was under the screename "humblethefiend".

I had noticed several times that "ned" had posted cryptic messages inside his own, that pointed to the fact that he was also humblethefiend.

I sent him a Freepmail informing him of his obvious mistake.

[Admin Moderator]

Was there a discussion about the same article at another website? I can buy that. Might that explain why he posted that piece? Sure. The link you point to hints, however, that the article was causing an uproar over there, and it is also possible that it was posted there to do just that. In either case, that is a side issue.

It does not explain, or excuse, 8 accounts with most of them having hundreds of posts.

Thanks, AM

[FreedominJesusChrist]

Amelia,

Registered and I were aware months ago, that humblethefiend and ned were the same person.

[Admin Moderator]

For you, we have instituted the 1 millisecond ban. We inflict it on you all the time. I just did it now. :-) Thanks, AM

[FreedominJesusChrist]

I hope you know that Registered, I, and BeAChooser, knew months ago that ned and humblethefiend were the same person.

[maxwell]

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[FreedominJesusChrist]

Amelia,

Connect the dots, ned also claimed to be a Bush Republican, so what's your point?

The point is that the guy obviously had some serious problems, that I am not going to go into.

ned, humblethefiend, etc. was not a Keyes Republican and was not a Bush Republican. Do you remember who ned's favorite author/philosopher was? It was Thoreau, a Transcendentalist. That should be self-explainatory of his worldview.