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To: weikel
Just in case you forgot...THE ALLIES won....your boys lost!!

That is all that matters to me anyway...my Granddaddy was an aide to General Pershing....ask me IF I care about your LOSERS!!

82 posted on 08/02/2002 3:18:35 PM PDT by crazykatz
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To: crazykatz
Yeah they won and left the commies in charge of Russia and removed the Holhenzollrens in Germany setting the stage for every historical bad thing since. Perhaps you don't get this Woodrow Wilson was a COMMUNIST he wanted to promote communism worldwide thats why he intervened at the last minute and saved the allies asses with the phony Zimmerman telegram forgery. My Grandad was an aide to General Macarthur btw but he died when my father was 6 so I don't know too much about him( and I can't find too much on him historically other than his exact date of death).
86 posted on 08/02/2002 7:18:37 PM PDT by weikel
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"Just in case you forgot...THE ALLIES won....your boys lost!! That is all that matters to me anyway"

You forgot to add the "neener, neener!"

Victory in war, as in politics, is hardly an affirmation that the winning side was somehow morally superior to the losers. Otherwise, we would still have judicial trial by combat. Some of the more notorious winners throughout history have been the Mongols and the Huns. More recently, there are the Chinese Communists, who have never lost a war, and the Soviets who not only defeated the Tsarists, but also won World War II. And, need I point out who won the Viet-Nam war?

There are few major current problems in European history that cannot be traced back ultimately to the Versailles Treaty. If you include the breakup of the Ottoman Empire in that result, then even modern Arab terrorism can be traced to Anglo-French support for independent Arab states.

England's envious vendetta against German wealth and success led to the weakening and destruction of its own empire, with Eire only the first of the slave races to throw off Albion's yoke. And the Irish Republicans had been, in fact if not in form, allies of Germany and thus "losers" of WW I.

Austria-Hungary was dismembered, ostensibly to benefit it's subject peoples, but in reality as the culmination of the French vendetta against the Habsburgs that can be traced back to Louis XIII and Richelieu. History wrought its revenge for this by allowing each of the small states thus created to fall either to the Communists or to the Fascists. Slavic separatists had often claimed that the old empire was "the prison house of nations" where peoples of diverse ethnicities were imprisoned in violation of their best interests. And yet, what is CEFTA other than a voluntary economic rebirth of the Austro-Hungarian empire?

In the Far East, Japan was also among the winners, and its victory set it on its path to the creation of the "Greater East Asian Co-Prosperity Sphere." So, the Japanese were the good guys in 1918 and the bad guys in 1941?

And whether "we" as American citizens won WW I is highly dubious. It was not the American people, but the American government, that won the war. Wilson cynically used his foreign agenda to drive his domestic agenda, including the suppression of legitimate dissent, the expansion of federal powers, and -- best of all -- the income tax.

History is showing more and more clearly with each passing year that the wrong side won the First World War.

88 posted on 08/02/2002 7:46:28 PM PDT by Goetz_von_Berlichingen
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