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To: crazykatz
"Just in case you forgot...THE ALLIES won....your boys lost!! That is all that matters to me anyway"

You forgot to add the "neener, neener!"

Victory in war, as in politics, is hardly an affirmation that the winning side was somehow morally superior to the losers. Otherwise, we would still have judicial trial by combat. Some of the more notorious winners throughout history have been the Mongols and the Huns. More recently, there are the Chinese Communists, who have never lost a war, and the Soviets who not only defeated the Tsarists, but also won World War II. And, need I point out who won the Viet-Nam war?

There are few major current problems in European history that cannot be traced back ultimately to the Versailles Treaty. If you include the breakup of the Ottoman Empire in that result, then even modern Arab terrorism can be traced to Anglo-French support for independent Arab states.

England's envious vendetta against German wealth and success led to the weakening and destruction of its own empire, with Eire only the first of the slave races to throw off Albion's yoke. And the Irish Republicans had been, in fact if not in form, allies of Germany and thus "losers" of WW I.

Austria-Hungary was dismembered, ostensibly to benefit it's subject peoples, but in reality as the culmination of the French vendetta against the Habsburgs that can be traced back to Louis XIII and Richelieu. History wrought its revenge for this by allowing each of the small states thus created to fall either to the Communists or to the Fascists. Slavic separatists had often claimed that the old empire was "the prison house of nations" where peoples of diverse ethnicities were imprisoned in violation of their best interests. And yet, what is CEFTA other than a voluntary economic rebirth of the Austro-Hungarian empire?

In the Far East, Japan was also among the winners, and its victory set it on its path to the creation of the "Greater East Asian Co-Prosperity Sphere." So, the Japanese were the good guys in 1918 and the bad guys in 1941?

And whether "we" as American citizens won WW I is highly dubious. It was not the American people, but the American government, that won the war. Wilson cynically used his foreign agenda to drive his domestic agenda, including the suppression of legitimate dissent, the expansion of federal powers, and -- best of all -- the income tax.

History is showing more and more clearly with each passing year that the wrong side won the First World War.

88 posted on 08/02/2002 7:46:28 PM PDT by Goetz_von_Berlichingen
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To: Goetz_von_Berlichingen
The chinese communist lost a war to the NVA shortly after we did( the Vietnamese communist they have never lost a war).
92 posted on 08/02/2002 8:45:09 PM PDT by weikel
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To: Goetz_von_Berlichingen
History is showing more and more clearly with each passing year that the wrong side won the First World War.

Right on it needs to be shouted from the rooftops.

93 posted on 08/02/2002 8:47:27 PM PDT by weikel
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To: Goetz_von_Berlichingen
The ALLIES WON!! German and Austria lost!!

I couldn't care less about Russia or Serbia in all this. I am HIGHLY offended by folks who blame everybody for WWI but those GERMANIC LOSERS who really picked the fight in the first place!!

My Granddad was in a wonderful ticker tape parade in NYC, losers do NOT get VICTORY PARADES or MEDALS!! He spoke about it till the day of his death. Just like his Dad before him and his son to follow, he was a career Army officer and he was happy and proud to serve his country.

Folks like you, using GERMAN sounding names....come here an spout such milarky about AMERICANS not really winning. THAT is PURE JUNK...liberal-socialist revisionist history.

You cannot ever convince me the Allies lost....and Granddad would have popped you in the head for being so disrespectful of the his men...THEY DID NOT LOSE....THEY WON!! They fought hard and they WON!!

Got it??? He was on the winning side...PERIOD!! He was proud of it!!

I have his WWI Medals right here in my house....and pictures of him on his horse while serving in France.

98 posted on 08/02/2002 9:37:46 PM PDT by crazykatz
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