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Mineta reverses stand on armed-pilots issue: orders study of 'lethal weapons' in cockpits
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | Wednesday, July 24, 2002 | By Jon Dougherty

Posted on 07/24/2002 4:08:01 AM PDT by JohnHuang2

In a dramatic turnaround, Transportation Secretary Norman Mineta has ordered the new head of the Transportation Security Administration to study options for arming the nation's 70,000 commercial pilots with "lethal force" capabilities.

"It is under discussion in terms of should we take another approach," Mineta told the House Transportation Committee's aviation subcommittee during testimony on Tuesday. "I have asked [TSA Administrator James Loy] to take a look at this to see whether or not there is some alternative, even if it is lethal weapons."

Loy, former head of the U.S. Coast Guard, replaced John Magaw as head of TSA last week.

"We're pleased to see the sea change that the Department of Transportation is undergoing and their new willingness to consider arming pilots with lethal force," said Capt. Tracy Price, head of the Airline Pilots' Security Alliance, an industry group that supports allowing pilots to carry guns. "This common sense measure has overwhelming support in both houses of Congress, among professional airline pilots and with the American people."

"We're considering this an endorsement of all the work we've been doing" on legislation that would permit pilots to fly armed, said Brian Darling, a spokesman for Sen. Bob Smith, R-N.H.

Mineta, a Clinton appointee held over by Bush, historically has opposed allowing pilots to fly armed. But his change of heart comes at a time when many on Capitol Hill and in the administration were becoming frustrated with the TSA's slow progress towards improving airport security – its primary function.

Besides facing charges by some lawmakers that the TSA has frittered away much of its resources on bureaucracy building, sources in Washington say some inside the Bush administration are becoming exasperated with the TSA's seeming inability to meet a November deadline to have all airport security screeners in place, as promised by Mineta and Magaw.

Magaw also had come under fire from lawmakers and pilots' groups for deciding in April not to implement a provision of aviation security law that allowed pilots to carry guns. The law, passed last fall in the wake of the Sept. 11 attacks, created the TSA and outlined its core mission.

Earlier this summer Smith introduced a bill bypassing Transportation bureaucracy and directly authorizing qualified pilots to fly armed. Smith's bill also absolved U.S. air carriers of any legal liabilities, should passengers be injured or killed during the course of a pilot defending his plane against a hijacking.

The House has already passed a bill that would implement many of the provisions of Smith's bill.

The Senate Commerce Committee has scheduled hearings for Thursday to discuss the issue of arming pilots. The committee's chairman, Sen. Ernest Hollings, D-S.C., has been opposed to allowing pilots to fly armed.

But First Officer Robert Sproc, a spokesman for the Allied Pilots Association, said, "We are very pleased that Secretary Mineta has validated what we have been saying all along." He added, "We are going to continue to press Congress to move ahead with efforts" to pass armed pilot legislation. The Allied Pilots Association is the pilots' union for American Airlines.

Mineta said a program to train and arm pilots could cost up to $850 million to develop and around $250 million a year to maintain.


TOPICS: Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: airseclist; armedpilots; banglist; gunsinthecockpit; macaw; mineta; tsa
Wednesday, July 24, 2002

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1 posted on 07/24/2002 4:08:01 AM PDT by JohnHuang2
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To: JohnHuang2
It didn't take long for this change to occur after Magaw left.
2 posted on 07/24/2002 4:49:19 AM PDT by aristeides
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To: JohnHuang2
I think the politicians, both Democrats and Republicans, finally figured out the public wants their pilots armed.
When Barbara Boxer came over to the side of arming pilots, I figured it wouldn't be too long for the rest of them to change their mind. The study will say it is best to arm the pilots and then all of them will refer to the study's conclusions as to why they changed their minds.
3 posted on 07/24/2002 4:54:13 AM PDT by FR_addict
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To: aristeides
It didn't take long for this change to occur after Magaw left.

Exactly. Magaw was a fool. Good riddance.

4 posted on 07/24/2002 4:56:31 AM PDT by JohnHuang2
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To: FR_addict
The study will say it is best to arm the pilots and then all of them will refer to the study's conclusions as to why they changed their minds.

Amazing, isn't it? Anyone with two brain cells to rub together has the sense enough to know it's better to have armed pilots as a last line of defense. Yet Washington commissions a 'study' to tell them the obvious.

5 posted on 07/24/2002 5:01:58 AM PDT by JohnHuang2
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To: FR_addict
The study will say it is best to arm the pilots and then all of them will refer to the study's conclusions as to why they changed their minds

Exactly. This is typical Washington Beltway BS. Why can't that little chump Minutia just admit that it took some convincing, but he was wrong in his first assessment and now feel comfortable with the legislation.

Quick Reference: Minutia because he seems to be a policy wonk with his head buried...

6 posted on 07/24/2002 5:03:20 AM PDT by mattdono
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To: JohnHuang2
Magaw was a fool but Mineta is a politician. Magaw didn't have the horsepower to go it alone. He needed Mineta's backing. Like the good shark that he is Mineta smelled blood. Remember, when you are out hiking with friends and come upon an enraged Grizzly female protecting her cubs you don't have to be able to outrun the Grizzly. You just have to be able to outrun your friends.
7 posted on 07/24/2002 5:04:45 AM PDT by Movemout
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To: mattdono
A study is the only solution!

I volunteer...lemme think...*stares off into space in dep thought and concentration*

Yup...an armed pilot can take out a box cutter totiing towel head...study concludes!

"Step this way ACs...Glock 40s for all!

End of study, start of safer flight!

8 posted on 07/24/2002 5:13:24 AM PDT by NMFXSTC
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To: Movemout
"Outrun your friends", I love it.

It's my understanding that pilots were allowed to carry until a couple years ago with no problems, what do we need with a million dollar study. Just restore the option to pack
9 posted on 07/24/2002 5:18:59 AM PDT by steve50
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To: steve50
Nothing is ever simple with government weenies. They have been confiscating cigar cutters and tweezers from pilots for almost a year. To now say that it is okay to pack would be to admit to a serious flaw in their approach. That would mean that they would have to reexamine their approach to passengers as well. That is the source of their reluctance.
10 posted on 07/24/2002 5:24:40 AM PDT by Movemout
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To: JohnHuang2
Let us now see if the bozos make it so difficult to "qualify" that it becomes another roadblock to the pilots actually getting guns in their hands. (‡>]
11 posted on 07/24/2002 6:01:38 AM PDT by Pistol
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To: Vic3O3
About time! Guess Mineta wants to stay employed.

Semper Fi!
12 posted on 07/24/2002 6:17:43 AM PDT by dd5339
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To: dd5339
Guess Mineta wants to stay employed.

Yep, but he definitely needs to go IMHO. No common sense - typical of those who came in with The Criminal.

Let's get a George W. appointee in there.

13 posted on 07/24/2002 6:29:37 AM PDT by toddst
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To: Movemout
To now say that it is okay to pack would be to admit to a serious flaw in their approach.

Gubmint weenies are the only people in the United States who haven't been able to see that there is a very serious flaw in their approach to this whole mess.

14 posted on 07/24/2002 6:47:41 AM PDT by Ole Okie
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To: steve50
Mineta said a program to train and arm pilots could cost up to $850 million to develop and around $250 million a year to maintain.

This is pathetic. This program could be done very cost-effectively, not anywhere near $1 billion to implement and 1/4 of that to maintain.

15 posted on 07/24/2002 7:04:11 AM PDT by webstersII
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To: webstersII
What is the "need" for a program in the first place. Just looks like a way to milk some funds out of it to me. These guys are mostly current/ex military, just let them have a permit to pack. They were allowed to carry for years.
16 posted on 07/24/2002 7:10:26 AM PDT by steve50
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To: *AirSec_List; *bang_list
Index Bump
17 posted on 07/24/2002 7:29:08 AM PDT by Free the USA
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To: FR_addict
Considering all the flying most congressmen do, if I was them, I'd be especially sensitive to this issue. They fly home most weekends and are more liable to be involved in an "incident" than the average 'merican. They never act till it hits them personally. My proof is Barbara Boxer's newfound embrace of the obvious.
18 posted on 07/24/2002 8:16:15 AM PDT by joeyman
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To: JohnHuang2
Yet Washington commissions a 'study' to tell them the obvious.

Follow the money.

The 'study' will be carried out by a group of political hacks who have each done something to earn them a six-figure part-time politico temp-job, at taxpayer's expense.

19 posted on 07/24/2002 9:36:31 AM PDT by Fixit
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To: JohnHuang2
Mineta said a program to train and arm pilots could cost up to $850 million to develop and around $250 million a year to maintain.

Proof positive what a crack-smoking, big-government sh!t-sucking bureaucrat this lousy bugger is. Give the program over to the NRA and they could run it for five percent of that. Hell, give it to me, and I could run it for three percent! (I'm not greedy! $;-)

"850 million" dollars -- Spare me! Sounds like another typical, over-bloated, money-wasting federal program!


20 posted on 07/24/2002 11:33:37 AM PDT by Joe Brower
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