HAMAS KILLS ITS OWN

New York Post ^ | 7/24/02 | JOHN PODHORETZ

[kattracks]

July 24, 2002 -- THERE'S no ambiguity regarding the responsibility for the horrible deaths incurred by the Israeli attack on one of the world's worst terrorists. The responsibility lies with the dead terrorist himself, Salah Shehada, and with the evildoing gang called Hamas that he helped to start and run.

[kattracks]

ping

[ppaul]

Common sense.

[WaterDragon]

Israel has an incredible reputation for trying to avoid civilian deaths while it fights those who have declared war on her. Just as the United States does. Israel deserves no censure for killing this man when they had the chance, and undoubtedly saved the lives of many civilian Palestinians as well as Israelis by removing his sorry existence from this world.

[piasa]

dejavu article...

[Apple Pan Dowdy]

There are very few times when I have NOT been proud to be an American... but yesterday when I heard our President chastising Israel for the attack, was one of those times I was not proud. He was saying loud and clear to the terrorist, "all you have to do is hide behind your women and children and we will not touch you."

And when I thought about all the times that America has bombed civilian areas when we considered it necessary (Hiroshima, Nagasaki, Viet Nam villages), it hurt even more because the President's message to Israel is so hypocritical sounding.

[LarryM]

I pity Bush. When he blabbers in his own cowardice, he becomes an object of pity.

[Tolik]

INSIDE ISRAELI HIT ON HAMAS

New York Post | 7/24/02 | URI DAN
Posted on 07/24/2002 6:31 AM Eastern by kattracks
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/721367/posts

Excerpts:

Sources said Shehada - dubbed the "bin Laden of Hamas" - had unwittingly escaped execution eight times since Israel put him at the top of its death list.

They said the plan to eliminate Shehada, the shadowy military commander of Hamas, began about six months ago, when Israel's defense Cabinet - headed by Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, Defense Minister Binyamin Ben-Eliezer and Foreign Minister Shimon Peres - met to consider new steps to end the mounting wave of attacks.

That small group of top officials approved a "bank of targets" - both locations and individuals whose direct involvement in terrorism had been established by evidence gathered by Israel's secret service or military intelligence, officials said

Sources said despite his secrecy and elusiveness, Israel pinpointed Shehada's location eight times since the death list was approved - but each time a plan of attack was called off, sometimes at the last moment, when it was discovered civilians might be harmed.

Late Monday, Israeli intelligence again picked up Shehada's location.

It reported to Sharon and to Ben-Eliezer that there were no civilians near the Hamas commander.

Israel's military planners decided to use a single, 1-ton bomb, rather than two smaller bombs to minimize the possibility of one going astray, officials said.

Israeli authorities said the raid worked according to plan. But officials are now looking into why military intelligence failed to determine the presence of civilians, including Shehada's wife.

[Tolik]

He escaped 8 times, because Israel was unwilling to kill civilians together with him. This time it looked like he was alone, or being cynical, they say they did not know he was not alone. Even if they knew, and now just playing the PR game (I don't believe this because they are so lousy in PR games), G-d knows how many Israeli are dead because he was not eliminated before. In a war, you put lives of your own above of the lives of civilians of your enemy. He knowingly sacrificed the lives of his family by hiding behind them. He condemned them. The same as Arabs condemned their own by not recognizing the establishment of Israel and Palestine in 1948, by sacrificing them as pawns in the endless global chess game/war: not absorbing them like Israel did with her people, keeping them in miserable condition in the refugee camps, not giving them rights in any Arab country, steaming their rage with hate propaganda, marinating the canon fodder to the best condition of zombies hating children of Israel more then loving their own children. What a waste!

[astounded]

Mogadishu, Somalia, October, 1993. Islamic militants used women and children as shields in a furious door-to-door battle against 10th Mountain, 75th Ranger Regiment, Army Delta, and Navy SEAL personnel, with 18 KIA and more than 100 WIA. Most reminiscent of another battle involving the USMC in the Imperial City of Hue, RVN, in January/February 1968, although Hue lasted a month and involved several battalions of USMC, Navy Riverine forces, and eventually 1st Air Cav and 101st ABN so they are difficult to compare except for the brutality and persistence of the enemy and some of his tactics.

Anyway, although outnumbered but perhaps not outgunned (thanks to 160th SOAR Little Birds operating through the night) the US soldiers in Mogadishu killed up to an estimated 1000 "jihadists". We can never forget these things.

[BlueLancer]

BTTT

[Kermit]

Okay, why is Bush over with the anti-American peaceniks on this? Even Eric Alterman isn't buying this tripe:

"I don’t know if killing the military chief of Hamas, together with his family, is an effective military measure-as surely someone will rise to replace him and it will make a lot more people angry, perhaps even angry enough to become suicide bombers. It may not bring Israel and the Palestinians any closer to peace or mutual security. But I don’t have a moral problem with it.

Hamas is clearly at war with Israel. Hamas feels empowered to strike Israeli civilians inside Israel proper and not just on the war zone of West Bank. Sheik Salah Shehada could have protected his family by keeping away from them. He didn’t and owing to his clear legitimacy as a military target, they are dead too.

So tough luck, fella.

War is hell."

Hey, are you in the Saginaw area? A local talkradio guy uses that 'apple pan dowdy' line spoken by Humphrey Bogart in, I believe, "The Continental Op".

[Apple Pan Dowdy]

You asked: "Hey, are you in the Saginaw area? A local talkradio guy uses that 'apple pan dowdy' line spoken by Humphrey Bogart in, I believe, "The Continental Op". "

No.... I am in Atlanta area. I wanted to use Apple Pie as my FReeper name, as in "as American as Apple Pie", but that name was aready taken so I came up with something close on a whim. I don't know Bogart's line but if you ever run across it, I would love to hear it. If it's any good then I may have to "adopt" it.

[Kermit]

The line goes something like this:

"Don't you have a local news station around here, all I get is some of that Apple Pan Dowdy".

Now, Cameron Knowles, the WSGW 790 talkshow guy didn't know where it came from. A listener found it in a movie, if I remember correctly, "The Continental Op". Well, I checked the Internet Movie Database and there is no movie "The Continental Op". I'm checking movie scripts, to see if can find it. I didn't even know what 'apple pan dowdy' was.

What's really funny, is WSGW has an 'apple pan dowdy' show on in the morning called "Listen to the Missus" and it's all about recipes.

[Apple Pan Dowdy]

I seem to remember somewhere in the back of my head that Continental Op was a character in The Maltese Falcon (though I am not at all sure). As for apple pan dowdy.... it is a yummy dessert like apple pie except that its more like a cobbler where the crust is only on the top, I guess that's why the relation to the cooking show. :)

[Kermit]

The Continental Op is a novel by Dashiell Hammett. I read it and it was a pretty dark story. A Continental Op, kind of a Pinkerton, was set to some medium-sized town in Montana(?), where a gang war is threatening to break out. The Op basically gets the gangs fighting and they kill each other off. If I recall correctly, the Op did this out of some revenge motive, but you don't find out about that until it was over. It seems to be in the same line as Pulp Fiction. Really black.

[CaptRon]

Makes no difference what the law says. We live in a world defined by the left: Labels, sound bites and "feelings".