What the hell is going on a the California NRA ?

El Cajon Gun Exchange ^ | 7/15/02 | jimbaugh

[Jimbaugh]

What the hell is going on a the California NRA ?

Have you ever wondered why conservatives have a problem getting elected. We don't stick together. Politics is not a spectators sport get involved.

"The NRA is endorsing Democrat Assemblywoman Denise Ducheny in her race for State Senate against pro-gun Republican Michael Giorgino. The NRA knows going in that Ducheny will more than negate anything positive she does for gun owners by supporting the rabidly anti-gun core of her party for State Senate leadership, not to mention being part of a majority to override our pro-gun candidate for Governor, Bill Simon."

If anyone has any information on the NRA's support of Denise Ducheny(D)let me know by freep mail. I just can't understand what the hell they are doing.

For those who don't know she was a major architect of the current California budget which is now in deficit by 24 billion dollars.

Jimbaugh

www.giorginoforsenate.com

Endorsements:
How they work and how they don't work "Personally I view the endorsement of a liberal by a conservative with as much dismay as if the conservative had voted for a gun ban. In essence, it's worse than that. If the liberal gets elected, the liberal will vote for many bad bills and, if a Democrat, will also support an anti-gun leadership in the legislature."
By Ron Godwin
03/06/02

The Primary is over and it's time to take a look at a contentious issue, that of political endorsements. The way most of us think of an endorsement is as a recommendation or advice, to give approval of, or support to. Generally, those of us not in public office will not endorse something or someone unless we truly believe that the thing or person will perform as advertised and live up to expectations. Most of us are careful with our endorsements. We don't like being wrong and find it embarrassing if our advice is found to be faulty in some way. Apparently, those in public office view things differently.

Take a situation where you are a voter, trying to pick between candidates. You can't ignore the possibility that one of them is really worth voting for and it would be a shame not to vote for that candidate. So, what we need then is an unimpeachable source of information. A way of finding out about a candidate before the polls open! This brings us to the political endorsement. Our politicians, office holders, have access to people and sources that you and I don't. Who else would I go to to tell me which candidate is which? Besides, it's in the best interest of an office holder to support the candidate(s) who will support their core beliefs... right? Too bad it doesn't work.

For their part, our elected officials are not at all reluctant to get involved. As in most elections, going back as far as I can remember, political endorsements in this last election were thick upon the ground, and created considerable confusion by crossing idealogical lines. Others were conspicuous by their absence. Conservatives like Representative Duncan Hunter and County Supervisor Bill Horn both endorsed ultra liberal Richard Riordan while refusing to endorse fellow conservative Assemblyman Dennis Hollingsworth in a State Senate race against left leaning and anti-Bill of Rights Assemblywoman Charlene Zettel. Supposed conservatives Representative Randy "Duke" Cunningham and County Supervisor Dianne Jacob endorsed Zettel. President Bush also endorsed Riordan.

The NRA is endorsing Democrat Assemblywoman Denise Ducheny in her race for State Senate against pro-gun Republican Michael Giorgino. The NRA knows going in that Ducheny will more than negate anything positive she does for gun owners by supporting the rabidly anti-gun core of her party for State Senate leadership, not to mention being part of a majority to override our pro-gun candidate for Governor, Bill Simon.

It would appear that our politicians - even the good ones - feel themselves to be under no obligation to be true to their own core beliefs when handing out endorsements. Endorsements are given on the basis of political favors owed, or because "we have to work with this person after the election ...", or because he/she asked first, or because he/she supported me on another issue... the list goes on. Very few endorse on the basis of similarity in core values or goals.

Please. Call your representative but not like some sort of avenging angel. They need your perspective, not your condemnation. By the same token, when their endorsement is not what it should be, is given for all the wrong reasons, crosses idealogical lines, and creates confusion among the faithful, it's fair to object. Personally I view the endorsement of a liberal by a conservative with as much dismay as if the conservative had voted for a gun ban. In essence, it's worse than that. If the liberal gets elected, the liberal will vote for many bad bills and, if a Democrat, will also support a traditionally anti-gun leadership in the legislature. Similarly, failure to endorse a fellow conservative can also lead to the election of a liberal with exactly the same results. Call your elected representative today and tell them that an endorsement record is as important as their voting record.

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If you are aware of and have information to show a cross endorsement, please use the contact page to let us know or fax it to (619) 579-0579.

Originator	Action	Problem
Rep. Duncan Hunter	Issued endorsement that crossed idealogical lines	Endorsed Richard Riordan; social liberal, very anti-gun, and hindered campaign of pro-Bill of Rights conservative Bill Simon.
Rep. Duncan Hunter	Failure to endorse fellow conservative Republican	Pro-Bill of Rights conservative Dennis Hollingsworth, in a very close campaign against anti-gun owner, social and fiscal liberal Zettel, needed the help an endorsement from a known fellow conservative would have provided.
Rep. Randy "Duke" Cunnigham	Failure to endorse fellow conservative Republican Issued endorsement that crossed idealogical lines	Did not endorse pro-Bill of Rights conservative Dennis Hollingsworth - Did endorse anti-gun owner, social and fiscal liberal Ms. Zettel.
President Bush	Issued endorsement that crossed idealogical lines	Encouraged super liberal Richard Riordan to run for Governor on the Republican ticket. Had Mr. Riordan run we would have had a choice between two liberals.
NRA	Planning on issuing an endorsement that will ultimately benefit the Dems at the expense of gun owners.	Denise Ducheny, candidate for the 40th Senate Dist., is a pro-gun Democrat. She will support a party who has a long standing anti-gun agenda, she will support the ascension to Senate leadership of rabidly anti-gun Democrats, and she will make up part of the majority needed to override a Governor veto should we manage to elect Bill Simon.
County Supervisor Dianne Jacob	Failure to endorse fellow conservative Republican Issued endorsement that crossed idealogical lines	Did not endorse pro-Bill of Rights conservative Dennis Hollingsworth - Did endorse anti-gun owner, social and fiscal liberal Ms. Zettel.
County Supervisor Bill Horn	Failure to endorse fellow conservative Republican	Pro-Bill of Rights conservative Dennis Hollingsworth, in a very close campaign against anti-gun owner, social and fiscal liberal Zettel, needed the help an endorsement from a known fellow conservative would have provided.

[Jimbaugh]

at the NRA?

[Redcloak]

Why don't you try looking up Ducheny's voting record on critical gun bills. The answer lies there. Though your own post comes close...

Denise Ducheny, candidate for the 40th Senate Dist., is a pro-gun Democrat.

And two things to remember: 1. It's the National Rifle Association, not the National Republican Association. 2. The NRA's mandate is to elect pro-gun candidates, not "conservative" candidates. Personally, I'll take a Denise Ducheny or a Rod Wright any day of the week over what the GOP tries to pawn off on us.

[Joe Brower]

[B4Ranch]

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[Atlas Sneezed]

When the gun groups automatically default to the Republican, they get taken for granted by the Republicans, who will sell them out at every turn knowing that they'll get the votes each time.

If the NRA picks off the worst 10% of Republicans, then the remaining 90% will actually be more likely to do the right thing.

(Not that the NRA hasn't endorsed most of the foulest gun-control measures in our nation's history. It is fair to call it the nation's largest gun control lobbying organization. But I like the magazines, and I like the the opponents of liberties THINK it is pro-rights.)

[madfly]

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[Jimbaugh]

She is a throw away vote. I am tired of supporting groups with Socialist moles.

[Redcloak]

Better to support gun-grabbing Republicans then?

[Jimbaugh]

In Kalifornistan all the Democrats are gun grabbers. Even some of the Republicans are gun grabbers. When you find a guy like Mike Giorgino who is willing to stand for the Constitution you don't slap him in the face by giving $3000 and endorsement to his opponent.

Take a look at the flyer he handed out at the NRA ILA meeting. The only reason that the Dems didn't pass more gun grabbing bills is they were too busy looting the state. If they get Davis, and 2/3 control of the Assembly and Senate, you can kiss you gun rights goodbye.

[Shooter 2.5]

One more thing. The NRA will endorse a candidate with a known voting record over someone who has never won an office and doesn't have a previous record of promoting Second Amendment Rights. The NRA has been over the coals too many times for endorsing unknowns who later stab us in the back.

[Redcloak]

In Kalifornistan all the Democrats are gun grabbers.

This is a lie. Democrat Assemblyman Rod Wright has done more to protect the rights of gun owners than any CA Republican. The same can be said of Congressman Joe Baca, another Democrat. It was these guys who kept the gun grabbers in Sacramento from "ghost voting" new gun laws in the dead of night; not the Republicans! Try peddling your blue-nosed, country club GOP tripe someplace else. California gun owners aren't buying it. We know who our friends are.

[Fish out of Water]

Since the GOP is in danger of being completely shut out of California Government it makes sense to have an ally with power and willing to support your position. Also if the NRA can split the Democrats then the GOP can't take them for granted and compromise on the theory the NRA has no place to go.

[Jimbaugh]

Go ahead and vote for the DemocRAT and hope that they eat you last. I will give no more money to the NRA. They have a nice talk but very little walk. They remind me of every group that get to big and loses contact with the rank and file.

[AdamSelene235]

Go ahead and vote for the DemocRAT and hope that they eat you last.

Its merely a question of the speed of the Socialism. Do you want the state to subsidize steel or medicine? The Republicans in my state are anti-gun as well. They never seem to mention it until after the election.

The best part about voting for DemoRat Socialists is that they will wreck the country so quickly, you might have an opportunity to live freely within your lifetime.

Republican Socialism might linger on for another 100 years or so.

[Fish out of Water]

I offered a commentary on your original question as to what the NRA is doing, not an endorsement of voting for a Democrat. Maybe you can explain what your reply has to do with either your original question or my response?

[M_Man]

Be sure you know everything your "friends" are up to. NRA is supporting CARA the so-called Conservation and Reinvestment Act. This one is clearly anti-private property. This thing will further remove people from the land in the West. NRA supports it because they'd get a few millions annually for Gun Safety Education. IMHO this is a bad trade-off. Federal dinero has too many strings and the rest of CARA is anti-freedom. I voted with my feet, I'm no longer a member. Read Diane Alden's take

http://www.newsmax.com/commentarchive.shtml?a=2001/10/30/133429

[Trteamer]

The NRA makes a big deal out of what they claim to have done, but here in Colorado they were UNSEEN and of NO HELP when we had the Million Mom's and Clinton here. They also didn't show there face when the gun show loophole was closed.
I'm a life member and ashamed of it. The only reason I haven't cancelled my membership is that I want to keep track of what they are up to.
I have found the NRA-ILA to be very rude both on the telephone and in e-mail answers to my questions. More than once have they claimed responsibility for the work and effort of real grassroots activists.

I feel for all you Californians, your trying to regain some of the rights that the rest of us take for granted.
Don't wait for the NRA to come to your rescue, they will take credit for your deeds afterward. Just get out there and do the deeds.