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Is Law And Order Conservatism Dead? (It Sure Looks Like It)
Several threads here ^ | 7-10-02 | LibBasher

Posted on 07/10/2002 8:42:40 AM PDT by LibBasher

I saw a few threads here yesterday about the Inglewood cop thing. I expected to see comment posts all about revulsion at the PC media's latest propaganda. I expected to see criticism of the Uncivil rights leaders (racebaiting demogogues) that will use this to spread hatred of white people everywhere and justify criminal behavior (and of course take from our wallets).

But I didn't. Instead I saw a very few brave conservatives standing up for law and order being relentlessly bashed by a much larger bunch of, well, I don't know what.

As to the matter discussed: The criminal idiot kid attacked and hit the cop hard enough to produce a gash on his head. When people are hit they usually hit back, whether its cops or anybody else. At most the guy should be briefly suspended without pay or written up (that's what would happen if this country was purged of PC lunacy).

But there's a lot larger issue here: Why some people here of all places would make a huge big deal over a criminal who cracked a cop in the head getting thrown down is just amazing.

So what do you people think will happen now? Well I'll tell you. Exactly what usually happens. The cops will catch fewer criminals, and crime will go up, because that's what happens everytime there's one of these media driven racebaiter PC love-in cop hater fests (riots will most likely follow).

You guys are furthering the PC movement motto: "white cops are out to get all black people?" all just to increase crime and liberal victimization propaganda (and most likely government spending on social programs to help "poor unfortunate victims" like this kid). What is wrong with you? Are you a bunch of liberals or something?

'cause you're sure helping out their cause.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Your Opinion/Questions
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1 posted on 07/10/2002 8:42:40 AM PDT by LibBasher
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To: grlfrnd; Silas; Surfin; Northpaw; wingnuts'nbolts; Joe Hadenuf; Lower55; Dick Vomer; Reactionary; ..
Is Law and order conservatism dead? I hope to hear your comments.
2 posted on 07/10/2002 8:46:11 AM PDT by LibBasher
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To: LibBasher
If the kid started the fight with the cop, then he got what he deserved.
3 posted on 07/10/2002 8:47:02 AM PDT by Hacksaw
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To: LibBasher
One of my favorites from yesterday--

Posted by Babble-on "Anyone who attempts to buy gasoline with expired tags deserves to be ordered to drop what he is carrying and lie spread-eagle in a gas station parking lot, and if he balks at doing that for absolutely no reason, he should get the living (expletive deleted) kicked out of him by a steroid enhanced psycho cop.

Except for forgetting to play the race card, No liberal could have said it better

4 posted on 07/10/2002 8:49:56 AM PDT by LibBasher
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To: LibBasher
Instead I saw a very few brave conservatives standing up for law and order being relentlessly bashed by a much larger bunch of, well, I don't know what
Can't say I took part in any wholesale bashing of cops- I would never do that because I think the vast majority of police are good people who are in dangerous jobs for our benefit and as such deserve our respect and praise.

But I saw that video. The cop that slammed that kid on the roof of the car and then punched him should be fired for abuse of power and convicted of felony assault. The other cops who did nothing except just restrain him from further brutality didn't do enough.

That was disgusting.

5 posted on 07/10/2002 8:50:10 AM PDT by Dales
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To: Hacksaw
Did you see the video?
6 posted on 07/10/2002 8:50:47 AM PDT by Dales
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To: LibBasher
Numerous people who post here are not conservatives. There are those who are/support drug dealer lobby and those who are/support hookers & strippers ("exotic dancers"). Others who oppose the preservtion of our historical sites, maybe even the Statue of Liberty. Then there are the anarchists, liberals, and disrupters. Sometimes they overwhelm a thread.

I'm not saying this happened to the threads you mentioned -- I didn't read them. But it has happened to others.

7 posted on 07/10/2002 8:53:42 AM PDT by Dante3
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To: LibBasher
Is Law And Order Conservatism Dead?

I certainly hope so. It is counterproductive in 2002.

"Law And Order Conservatism" made sense in the '50's, '60's and 70's because back then those that would subvert and destroy America were visable radicals causing mayhem and destruction. They were the hippie protesters who openly wanted to tear down our institutions and laws, which at the time were still (somewhat) fair and reasonable.

But now that the leftist, radicals have grown up, got a haircut, and put on a suit, they have systematically implemented phase 2 of their master plan. They have infiltrated, and risen in rank to the top of every major American institution they once scourned, even their hated law enforcement and military. Hell, one of them was even POTUS for 8 years!

With the left firmly in charge of government, legislature, and the law, being a " Law And Order Conservative" makes zero sense, unless you wish to bootlick the people we should be fighting.

8 posted on 07/10/2002 8:54:24 AM PDT by southern rock
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To: Dales; LibBasher
" ... The cop that slammed that kid on the roof of the car and then punched him should be fired for abuse of power and convicted of felony assault ... "

Yep.

9 posted on 07/10/2002 8:55:08 AM PDT by First_Salute
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To: LibBasher
Once the kid was in cuffs, there was no reason to bash
his head in. Before? Yes. After? No. Once that line
was crossed, the cop was breaking the law. What's wrong?
You don't believe in law and order?
10 posted on 07/10/2002 8:55:16 AM PDT by Wm Bach
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To: LibBasher
You don't slam and punch people who are not resisting after you have them cuffed. This officer is not fit to wear the badge. No wonder LEOs' are losing the respect of the citizens.
11 posted on 07/10/2002 8:55:25 AM PDT by steve50
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To: Dante3
I agree with you on the presence of those types.

But I don't think it is fair to cast anyone who was critical of the behavior of the police in this case in that light.

It was clearly abusive behavior by the cops. This is exactly the sort of crap which turns people against the police, the sort of crap which exasperbates racial tensions, the sort of crap which enables the race baiting poverty pimps like Jesse Jackson, Infume, and Sharpton.

If we tolerate this, then the death of law and order conservatism is our fault.

12 posted on 07/10/2002 8:58:13 AM PDT by Dales
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To: LibBasher
"Law and order conservatism" is not dead. I think people have simply started to realize that many of the stories of police brutality are right on target (though I don't know enough about the specific case in Inglewood to comment on it).

I had been privy to some interesting information about two specific cases of police brutality in the New York area in the last few years (one of which is the Abner Louima case, in which the second accused police officer is now on trial), and what I knew about these cases led me to believe that many conservatives have been kidding themselves when they blindly stood up in support of police officers without knowing all the details of a case.

On the other hand, "law and order" conservatives can simply sit back and let "law and order" liberals accomplish the same things by using the idiocy of liberal voters to their advantage. The city of Newark, New Jersey is a good example -- the police department there has really turned the corner on crime, primarily by engaging in practices that had been "officially" discontinued years ago. They get away with it because the mayor is black, the police department is mixed, and the perpetrators are primarily black. They have been so successful fighting crime there that neighboring towns have seen a dramatic increase in crime over the last decade as these mutants have sought "greener pastures."

13 posted on 07/10/2002 9:01:32 AM PDT by Alberta's Child
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To: LibBasher
Well, my thoughts on this:

The kid was retarded, and only 16. It seems to me from the video that once he was handcuffed, he was well under control. I didn't see anything in the footage that suggested that after the handcuffing, there was any need to bash the kids brains into the hood of the car, and then punch him in the head a second time. Maybe he was putting up a good struggle, but I didn't see anything.

I'm sorry, but you don't go punching a retarded sixteen year old in the head after you've handcuffed him, unless he's putting up some sort of ungodly, PCP-fueled fight.

What I find dismaying is the attitude shared by some FReepers that we should treat LEO's as Gods That Walk Among Us. I am sad to report that unfortunately, for every good cop out there protecting us and our rights, there is at least one corrupt bully with a gun who loves to throw his weight around. Corruption is sadly rampant in many parts of our law enforcement community. But, I am very resentful of the implication you seem to be making, that even daring to question the propriety of the actions that these cops made somehow makes us "less-good" Conservatives, or that we favor anarchy or the liberals, because that's just not true.

I saw let the facts speak for themselves. If you can prove that the kid was putting up a huge struggle after being handcuffed, to the point where you had to bash him in a few times, then so be it. Also, I refuse to classify this thing as a "racial incident". Isn't it true that at least two of the cops were hispanic, and the other was black?

The question comes down to this: Who watches the watchmen? Also, I believe we have a thing called "due process". Just because the guy is retarded and black doesn't mean he should immediately be seen as innocent, but the same goes for the cops; just because they are cops doesn't mean their actions are immediately beyond reproach.

I just feel that as good American citizens, its up to us to watch the watchmen. I've had too many personal experiences with the very corrupt police we have in Taxachusetts to implicitly trust the police without having all the facts readily available. A healthy distrust of Government is what makes this country great. And I'm sorry, but I feel very strongly about the issue of power abuse. If a cop is caught and proven to be acting like a common thug, then I think we should do all we can to disgrace this cop for violating the honor of his badge.
14 posted on 07/10/2002 9:02:12 AM PDT by WyldKard
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To: Dales
The cop that slammed that kid on the roof of the car and then punched him should be fired for abuse of power and convicted of felony assault...That was disgusting.

Oh please. Criminals kill people, rob them, shoot them, stab them, and assault them, everyday in huge numbers in this country, and you reserve "disgust" for this? A criminal getting slammed on a car hood AFTER cracking a cops head open?

With all due respect, your priorities are way way out of whack.

And like I said for what? for the increased crime that will inevitably follow? (I can assure you IT WILL be a lot rougher than slamming guys on car hoods) for the PC robber barrons and race hustlers to steal your wallet for more social programs? For the inevitable sob stories about how evil and oppressive whitey is?

If anything, THAT, should disgust you. It's a damn shame it doesn't.

15 posted on 07/10/2002 9:04:29 AM PDT by LibBasher
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To: WyldKard
One of the cops was black. I couldn't tell about the others- if they were hispanic, they were very fair skinned.

The only thing I can say in defense of the others is that it appeared to me as if they had their head turned when he slammed the kid into the car hood.

Their intervention when he then sucker punched the kid was tepid at best though. They obviously didn't want him to beat the kid, but they sure weren't about to do anything about the fact that he just did.

16 posted on 07/10/2002 9:05:30 AM PDT by Dales
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To: LibBasher
If you haven't already done so, I would suggest that you read Pater Maas' book about the former New York City narcotics detective Frank Serpico. Just in case you still have any illusions about the sanctity of law enforcement officers.
17 posted on 07/10/2002 9:08:40 AM PDT by Alberta's Child
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To: LibBasher
You are deranged. Seek medical attention fast.
18 posted on 07/10/2002 9:09:30 AM PDT by Dales
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To: southern rock
But now that the leftist, radicals have grown up, got a haircut, and put on a suit, they have systematically implemented phase 2 of their master plan. They have infiltrated, and risen in rank to the top of every major American institution they once scourned, even their hated law enforcement and military.

Is that right. Hmm then why is is it that Al Sharpton, Kweisi Mfume, Jesse Jackson, Ron Kuby, the media, and a whole bunch of other LEFT WINGERS are bashing the police every chance they get?

Seems like your copnsiracy theory needs a little more... scratch that...a LOT MORE, work before it even starts making any sense.

19 posted on 07/10/2002 9:10:33 AM PDT by LibBasher
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To: Dales
You are deranged. Seek medical attention fast.

Ah yes, spoken like a true liberal PC cop basher

20 posted on 07/10/2002 9:11:42 AM PDT by LibBasher
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