[LibBasher]

Is Law and order conservatism dead? I hope to hear your comments.

[Hacksaw]

If the kid started the fight with the cop, then he got what he deserved.

[LibBasher]

One of my favorites from yesterday--

Posted by Babble-on "Anyone who attempts to buy gasoline with expired tags deserves to be ordered to drop what he is carrying and lie spread-eagle in a gas station parking lot, and if he balks at doing that for absolutely no reason, he should get the living (expletive deleted) kicked out of him by a steroid enhanced psycho cop.

Except for forgetting to play the race card, No liberal could have said it better

[Dales]

Instead I saw a very few brave conservatives standing up for law and order being relentlessly bashed by a much larger bunch of, well, I don't know what

Can't say I took part in any wholesale bashing of cops- I would never do that because I think the vast majority of police are good people who are in dangerous jobs for our benefit and as such deserve our respect and praise.

But I saw that video. The cop that slammed that kid on the roof of the car and then punched him should be fired for abuse of power and convicted of felony assault. The other cops who did nothing except just restrain him from further brutality didn't do enough.

That was disgusting.

[Dante3]

Numerous people who post here are not conservatives. There are those who are/support drug dealer lobby and those who are/support hookers & strippers ("exotic dancers"). Others who oppose the preservtion of our historical sites, maybe even the Statue of Liberty. Then there are the anarchists, liberals, and disrupters. Sometimes they overwhelm a thread.

I'm not saying this happened to the threads you mentioned -- I didn't read them. But it has happened to others.

[southern rock]

Is Law And Order Conservatism Dead?

I certainly hope so. It is counterproductive in 2002.

"Law And Order Conservatism" made sense in the '50's, '60's and 70's because back then those that would subvert and destroy America were visable radicals causing mayhem and destruction. They were the hippie protesters who openly wanted to tear down our institutions and laws, which at the time were still (somewhat) fair and reasonable.

But now that the leftist, radicals have grown up, got a haircut, and put on a suit, they have systematically implemented phase 2 of their master plan. They have infiltrated, and risen in rank to the top of every major American institution they once scourned, even their hated law enforcement and military. Hell, one of them was even POTUS for 8 years!

With the left firmly in charge of government, legislature, and the law, being a " Law And Order Conservative" makes zero sense, unless you wish to bootlick the people we should be fighting.

[Wm Bach]

Once the kid was in cuffs, there was no reason to bash
his head in. Before? Yes. After? No. Once that line
was crossed, the cop was breaking the law. What's wrong?
You don't believe in law and order?

[steve50]

You don't slam and punch people who are not resisting after you have them cuffed. This officer is not fit to wear the badge. No wonder LEOs' are losing the respect of the citizens.

[WyldKard]

Well, my thoughts on this:

The kid was retarded, and only 16. It seems to me from the video that once he was handcuffed, he was well under control. I didn't see anything in the footage that suggested that after the handcuffing, there was any need to bash the kids brains into the hood of the car, and then punch him in the head a second time. Maybe he was putting up a good struggle, but I didn't see anything.

I'm sorry, but you don't go punching a retarded sixteen year old in the head after you've handcuffed him, unless he's putting up some sort of ungodly, PCP-fueled fight.

What I find dismaying is the attitude shared by some FReepers that we should treat LEO's as Gods That Walk Among Us. I am sad to report that unfortunately, for every good cop out there protecting us and our rights, there is at least one corrupt bully with a gun who loves to throw his weight around. Corruption is sadly rampant in many parts of our law enforcement community. But, I am very resentful of the implication you seem to be making, that even daring to question the propriety of the actions that these cops made somehow makes us "less-good" Conservatives, or that we favor anarchy or the liberals, because that's just not true.

I saw let the facts speak for themselves. If you can prove that the kid was putting up a huge struggle after being handcuffed, to the point where you had to bash him in a few times, then so be it. Also, I refuse to classify this thing as a "racial incident". Isn't it true that at least two of the cops were hispanic, and the other was black?

The question comes down to this: Who watches the watchmen? Also, I believe we have a thing called "due process". Just because the guy is retarded and black doesn't mean he should immediately be seen as innocent, but the same goes for the cops; just because they are cops doesn't mean their actions are immediately beyond reproach.

I just feel that as good American citizens, its up to us to watch the watchmen. I've had too many personal experiences with the very corrupt police we have in Taxachusetts to implicitly trust the police without having all the facts readily available. A healthy distrust of Government is what makes this country great. And I'm sorry, but I feel very strongly about the issue of power abuse. If a cop is caught and proven to be acting like a common thug, then I think we should do all we can to disgrace this cop for violating the honor of his badge.

[steve-b]

Is Law And Order Conservatism Dead?

If a cop breaks the law, send him to prison. You can't get any more "Law And Order" than that.

[Britton J Wingfield]

I like cops. Many of my fellow reservists are LEOs, and I believe they do a great job.

That said, I saw the tape and was appalled. Since I am all for law and order, I think the cop who slugged a cuffed suspect in the head should be arrested for assault and battery. The kid was not only cuffed, he was securely pinned down on the hood. Punching him was nothing but a malicious cheap shot.

[WyldKard]

Hmmmm..LibBasher...member since....well..today. 7-10-2002.

Curious that....

[NC_Libertarian]

The law enforcers are crooks and they're out of control. I hope the cop who hit the handcuffed kid gets some time for that.

We need more people video tapeing the thugs to get them under control.

[NC_Libertarian]

Cops should in fact get double the sentence that a civilian would get. As law enforcers they should be kept to a higher standard.

But it's the opposite, they consistantly get away with murder - like in the Rampart scandal - where they killed, maimed, tortured, dealt drugs, framed people, etc - the central figure got one year in prison for all those crimes, most others didn't even get nearly as much.

Then the FBI agent who shot the kid in the face got away with that, and the California cop who shot the 11 year old kid who was laying prone on the ground in the back fot away with that as well.

[alpowolf]

We have delegated to the police the power to use force. Therefore we are duty-bound to hold the police to a high standard in the use of that power. If you believe so strongly in the law, why don't you believe that government people have to obey it?

[Grut]

Sigh. LibBasher is new today, probably just over from DU to pimp the spittle-flingers into drowning their keyboards.

Apparently with some success. Why do some Freepers have trouble with the idea that 'rule of law' means the cops have to obey the law, too?

[Portnoy]

Is Law and Order Conservatism dead?

Is this a new Law and Order Series? Hopefully its better than Law and Order: Crime and Punishment.

BRING BACK CHRIS NOTH!

[steve-b]

LibBasher, member since 2002-07-10

[Psycho_Bunny]

Not only are you a fool but, your post is transparent.

Seems like you are attempting to illicit a response, on this thread, that you can point to in the future and say "See how evil conservatives are!"

If I'm wrong, and you aren't a liberal disruptor, then you're just flat-out incorrect.

This officer stepped over the line and he should lose his job.  It's that simple.

[Wolfie]

Whoa - did you get banned for posting a similar diatribe yesterday?