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Nazism is Left-Wing?
chuckmorse.com ^ | July 2, 2002 | Chuck Morse

Posted on 07/08/2002 1:02:47 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe

In the course of my radio interview with self-described socialist professor Robert Jensen of U. Tex-Austin, (7/1) he predictably referred to me as "right-wing." I responded by pointing out that as an American conservative, I believe in limited constitutional government where rights emanate from the creator, not the state. I contrasted this belief with those of Hitler, traditionally called right-wing, and pointed out that Hitler didn't exactly personify limited government, but rather the socialistic idea that the State, acting on behalf of "the people," is the source of all rights. I told Jensen that I would be proud to accept the imprimatur "right-wing" if he would acknowledge that Nazism was left-wing.

Jensen responded with the conventional assertion that the Nazis were right-wing because "corporate interests" supported them. This contention is worth examining. It is true that the Nazis, and other Fascist regimes were supported by corporations but not in the free-market capitalist sense. Fascist regimes granted monopoly control over specific areas of industry to select corporations in exchange for their support. The corporation, therefore, actually became a part of the Fascist government by forming a legal and formal partnership with the executive branch. Fascist Italy, for example, had an assembly of corporations.

This is significantly different from the free-market capitalist system where the corporation, as a matter of principle, is separate from the government and must compete on the open market. While in a free-market system the corporation has influence, and often too much influence resulting in shades of socialistic fascism, nevertheless the corporation remains private and without direct legislative power.

The merge between corporations and government, the hallmark of the fascist system, is actually corporate socialism not free-market capitalism. This system differs with communism in that communism abolishes the corporation outright. The communist government itself becomes the corporation with monopoly control over all areas of industry. Among the first orders of business for a communist government is the abolition or "nationalization" of all corporations under their control along with their assets and property. Communism also calls for the abolition of all labor unions, as the communist government itself becomes one massive labor union operating in the name of "the worker." Private property " is also transferred to the communist state which assumes control in the interests of "the common good."

In a real sense, fascism is not as radically left-wing as communism, but both are socialist in that both govern on the principle of "public ownership of the mode of production," the dictionary definition of socialism. Fascism isn't as far left as communism to the extant that fascism allow for at least a pretense of private ownership while the government, de facto, controls everything through monopolistic corporate combines. In this regard, communism is the more honest of the two socialist systems. Communism makes no pretence regarding private ownership, they own everything openly and as a matter of state policy.

The other old left-wing canard Jensen tossed out during the interview was that America was the most militarily oriented society in history. To understand the absurdity of this accusation, especially in light of the records of both militant socialistic fascism and an international communist movement that was, according to the "Black Book of Communism" responsible for the deaths of over 100 million human beings, a brief examination of Marxist relativism is in order. To the authoritarian/utopian leftist, anything done to promote freedom, whether it is defending property rights, individual rights, free-market capitalism, morality, the family, or national sovereignty is bad while "progress" toward socialism is good. Therefore, communists can militarily conquer the world, and righteously encourage unspeakable brutality in the name of "the people" while America, when assisting a government in their defense against international totalitarian aggression, can be labeled "repressive."


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Editorial
KEYWORDS: capitalism; communism; corporatism; fascism; freeenterprise; nazism; socialism
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1 posted on 07/08/2002 1:02:48 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe
The other old left-wing canard Jensen tossed out during the interview was that America was the most militarily oriented society in history.

Maybe that's true, if those in the dustbin of history don't count. But if they do, there is no example of a Communist country that spent less of its GDP on arms than the U.S. 'Course some of them were pretty good at cooking the books to disguise that fact, but . . .

2 posted on 07/08/2002 1:09:33 PM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion
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To: Tailgunner Joe
It is much easier than that - left simply calls 'right-wing' everybody it does not like, e.g. term 'right-wing communists' was widely used to describe cituation in Eastern Europe in the early 90s.
3 posted on 07/08/2002 1:09:59 PM PDT by alex
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Excellent points.

The Chinese Communists are no longer communists at all. They are fascists.

4 posted on 07/08/2002 1:10:36 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Tailgunner Joe
the fascist system ... differs with communism in that communism abolishes the corporation outright.

And it is a difference without meaning, I believe.
Fascism, socialism, and communism are interchangeable at the flick of the leader's pen.
5 posted on 07/08/2002 1:11:48 PM PDT by polemikos
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To: Dog Gone
My point in post 5 exactly.
6 posted on 07/08/2002 1:14:15 PM PDT by polemikos
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion
Trying to classify as liberal or conservative a political system that defies categorization has to rank up there as one of the truly dumb arguments of the week. I suppose by Morse's definition anarchists are the ultimate conservatives since they believe in the least government?
7 posted on 07/08/2002 1:16:24 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur
Your screen name is well-deserved.
8 posted on 07/08/2002 1:22:53 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Non-Sequitur
I suppose by Morse's definition anarchists are the ultimate conservatives since they believe in the least government?

I would say that anarchists represent the extreme right not the ultimate conservative.

Communism, Facism, Socialism, these are at the extreme left.

9 posted on 07/08/2002 1:24:52 PM PDT by Strider
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To: Non-Sequitur
That's a non-sequitur, Non-Sequitur.
10 posted on 07/08/2002 1:25:42 PM PDT by polemikos
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Something makes me think that yours is, too.
11 posted on 07/08/2002 1:26:07 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur
Thank You. Unlike you, I can take that as a compliment.
12 posted on 07/08/2002 1:28:19 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Dog Gone
FL Hayek in his book "The Road to Serfdom" comes to the simple conclusion that Communism evolves into Fascism once the idealistic Marxists realize the impossibility of their utopian dream.

The Fascists are at least a little more intellectually honest. They realize from the start that some folks are "a little more equal" than others....and proceed from there.

13 posted on 07/08/2002 1:30:18 PM PDT by Victor
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To: alex
It is much easier than that - left simply calls 'right-wing' everybody it does not like, e.g. term 'right-wing communists' was widely used to describe cituation in Eastern Europe in the early 90s.

And now that the press seems to understand that Communists are "left-wing," they don't use a "wing" label, but merely call them "conservatives."

14 posted on 07/08/2002 1:32:14 PM PDT by Darth Reagan
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To: Victor; Non-Sequitur; Strider; polemikos; Dog Gone; conservatism_IS_compassion
It should be pointed out that the 'utopian dream' of the Marxists is in fact, Anarchy. They envision a world without nations, religions, or money. Of course this will only happen after the 'withering away' of the 'proletarian dictatorship', once its destructive power is no longer needed.

So, no, anarchists are not right wing. They are left wing. Lawlessness is always left wing. Liberal is a synonym of licentious.

15 posted on 07/08/2002 1:41:21 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Fascist regimes granted monopoly control over specific areas of industry...

Like health care and "controlled substances," for instance.

There is a direct correlation between spiraling drug costs and the monopolies granted to drug manufacturers by the controlled substance laws, but the rabid drug warriors will say it is a small price to pay.

16 posted on 07/08/2002 1:44:11 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum
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To: conservatism_IS_compassion
That line stood out as especially silly. Jensen should first consider Prussia. The United States are hardly militaristic compared to Prussia.
17 posted on 07/08/2002 1:49:00 PM PDT by Lee_Atwater
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To: Victor
I have not read "The Road to Serfdom", but I think I should. Margaret Thatcher credits it with changing her thinking about economies, and Hayek's book eventually won out over Keynesian economics.
18 posted on 07/08/2002 1:49:43 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: Tailgunner Joe
Morse makes an important point about how the Nazis rolled major corporations into government client entities. What is scary is that this same kind of goverment/corporate "partnering" is a included feature in the growth of big government in America. The expanding cenrtral goverment is gaining more and more control over what used to be free enterprise through increasing use of forded incentives and manipulative regulations.
19 posted on 07/08/2002 1:51:37 PM PDT by BenLurkin
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To: alex
Exactly. I remember reading in the NY Times about how the "liberal" forces of reform in the USSR were battling to wrest power from the "conservatives" who sought to keep the power in the hands of the government.

I thought maybe I was holding the paper upside-down.

20 posted on 07/08/2002 1:59:12 PM PDT by dead
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