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England and Gun Control -- What a Mess
WBAL ^ | July 2, 2002 | RON SMITH

Posted on 07/02/2002 10:11:06 AM PDT by COURAGE

Ron Smith's Something to Say Weekday Mornings 6:50AM rsmith@wbal.com

England and Gun Control -- What a Mess July 2, 2002 Ron Smith's Something to Say

(July 2, 2002)

Modern times have seen an ever-escalating effort on the part of Western governments to disarm their people. Gun control laws depriving individuals of their right to self-defense have gone terribly wrong if we are to believe that they have been enacted with public safety as their actual purpose.

Armed crime has been skyrocketing in England and Wales ever since the government, with the Dunblane massacre as a rationale, virtually outlawed private ownership of guns. The Firearms Act of 1997 was merely the latest in a series of laws imposed over nearly a century that have reversed the English tradition of relying on armed civilians for peacekeeping.

Furthermore, English law now for all practical purposes has made self-defense illegal. Civilians are prohibited from carrying ANY article for what they call “private defense.” These laws are vigorously enforced, with a zeal that verges on societal insanity. For while the safety of robbers and muggers is a greater concern of the courts there than the well being of an ordinary person and his property, well armed criminals are running roughshod throughout the land.

From 1997 to 2001, the rate of crime in Britain’s inner cities has risen by 91 per cent. Your chances of being mugged on a London street are an unbelievable six times greater than being accosted in New York City.

All this has prompted a history professor at Bentley College to research the English experience with gun control and write a book about her findings. She is Joyce Lee Malcolm and her book, published by Harvard University Press is “Guns and Violence – the English Experience. It was published this month and Professor Malcolm joins us to talk about it this afternoon


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; US: Maryland; United Kingdom
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1 posted on 07/02/2002 10:11:06 AM PDT by COURAGE
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To: COURAGE
Those brits are done for. They gave up their right to self-defense and getting it back will take a lot more than an act of congrees IMO. Funny how we don't hear in the mass-media that London muggers are 6-times more active than our legandary NYC muggers are. That needs to be reported every day. I'm going to send a letter to the O-Man. Maybe he can start the ball rolling.

EBUCK

2 posted on 07/02/2002 10:56:43 AM PDT by EBUCK
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To: COURAGE
These laws are vigorously enforced, with a zeal that verges on societal insanity.

And there you have it. Stupid, evil or insane. Or all three.

3 posted on 07/02/2002 11:19:44 AM PDT by Noumenon
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To: NevilleChamberpot
The situation WILL change in the UK someday. Probably not for a long time, but it will someday. Remember, most of the police aren't armed either, so if there's ever a mass uprising, the British citizens will pretty much be able to demand whatever they want because the government wouldn't have the firepower to put them down.
5 posted on 07/02/2002 11:26:22 AM PDT by Timesink
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To: COURAGE
Bernard Goetz...white courtesy phone.
6 posted on 07/02/2002 11:29:04 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: Noumenon
And there you have it. Stupid, evil or insane. Or all three.

The only real question left is how many bodies will be accumulating in the United Kingdom's countryside.

Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown

7 posted on 07/02/2002 11:29:12 AM PDT by harpseal
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To: COURAGE
Someone on FR said it the other day....

Slow Motion Suicide Syndrome

8 posted on 07/02/2002 11:38:01 AM PDT by FreedomFarmer
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To: Timesink
There was a time when the British police were not armed.

No more.
British police are armed nowadays, and their use of "special tactics" or SWAT teams is increasingly common as well.
Reason being, the increase of weapons use by criminals, and the massive influx of full-auto weapons smuggled into the country and sold on the black market to criminals and Youth Gangs.

9 posted on 07/02/2002 11:43:50 AM PDT by Drammach
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To: Drammach
All of them? I thought only a few were, in certain areas and in certain divisions like the SWAT teams you mention.
10 posted on 07/02/2002 11:46:44 AM PDT by Timesink
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To: COURAGE
Your chances of being mugged on a London street are an unbelievable six times greater than being accosted in New York City.

I wonder how many time more likely it is than somewhere that, unlike NYC, has CCW?

11 posted on 07/02/2002 11:48:14 AM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: NevilleChamberpot
Victims are expected to be completely docile and compliant when accosted, no matter how great the outrage. It is this mentality that has to change.

Sorry, that mentality will not change in England. It is the desired outcome that socialists have been working for since the early 1900s.

As potential victims, people are told that society is harmed more when they defend themselves than when they are killed or injured in a crime. And to prove the point, the government will prosecute attempts at self defense far more intensely than "ordinary" crime. And if violent crime destroys the country, they see it as a "small price to pay" to prevent people from acting in their own defense.

The socialist elite have plenty of taxpayer-supplied protection. But to "allow" self defense is to defeat their greatest goal, which is to convince everyone that their very existence is owed to the state. And if the state tells you to die unarmed, you'd damned well better smile while doing it.

12 posted on 07/02/2002 11:59:34 AM PDT by 300winmag
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To: COURAGE; *bang_list; Ajnin; Joe Brower; Badray; chuknospam; Concentrate; GeorgeWBiscuit; ...
"From 1997 to 2001, the rate of crime in Britain’s inner cities has risen by 91 per cent. Your chances of being mugged on a London street are an unbelievable six times greater than being accosted in New York City.
THISArticle at WBAL 1090-AM in Baltimore which you can LISTEN TO With Windows Media or Real Player at 3:00 PM Eastern time, 12:00 noon Pacific time.

Guys, More stone cold facts to present to those who want more gun {read people} control laws. Peace and love, George.
13 posted on 07/03/2002 7:44:55 AM PDT by George Frm Br00klyn Park
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To: COURAGE
C, Thanks for the post. Peace and love, George.
14 posted on 07/03/2002 7:46:08 AM PDT by George Frm Br00klyn Park
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To: Noumenon; harpseal; George Frm Br00klyn Park
Everyone should own a gun, become skilled with its usage, and carry it so regularly that they feel naked without it.

Street crime and muggings would disappear.

15 posted on 07/03/2002 7:51:37 AM PDT by Gargantua
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To: COURAGE
England generally is a mess.

Listen to the BBC nightly and read a "mainstream" Brit daily (like London Telegraph) and you'll read about Britain's - especially England's - descent into Hell:

-Flagship socialized-medicine hospitals starve old patients to death without consent to clear bed space.

-Flagship socialized-medicine hospitals so understaffed that they now send patients abroad to France for surgery.

-Drastic nurse shortage in flagship socialized-medicine hospitals, brought on in large part by violent patients.

-1 police spy camera on street for every 25 Brits, undoubtably far more in urban areas.

-Police bugging without court order.

-Soaring violent-crime rates.

-Moslem enclaves in which non-Moslems are kept out by force.

Scandals of antigun politicians - from Kalifornia to Manhattan!

16 posted on 07/03/2002 7:58:07 AM PDT by glc1173@aol.com
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To: COURAGE
What a come down for the people who created the Brown Bess, the Enfield and the Holland and Holland express rifles.

Liberalism is an appeal to pure emotion with absolutely no logic thrown in and this is a perfect example of its fruits.

17 posted on 07/03/2002 8:01:49 AM PDT by ZULU
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To: George Frm Br00klyn Park
your chances of being mugged on a London street are an unbelievable six times greater than being accosted in New York City.

Thanks for the post, George. As a brief (three years) resident of NYC a few years back, this statement about the level of danger on London streets is - overwhelming, to say the least. The muggers KNOW their marks aren't armed. How comforting for them.

Now Ms. McCartney can (based on personal experience) confirm the streets are, indeed, dangerous. Wonder if she's hired an armed security "attendant" yet?

18 posted on 07/03/2002 8:03:29 AM PDT by toddst
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To: Gargantua
About 15 years ago, I heard stories from New Yorkers explaining that getting mugged was like going through toll booths. Women would wear junk jewelry and plead with muggers that the rings were family heirlooms. It became a right of passage to get mugged. After some years went by, I noticed a change in the New Yorkers that they finally started to get furious about the conditions and that's about the time that they voted Rudy into office.
I think the same thing will happen. At the moment, the muggers seem to be non-violent but I think something will finally happen that will cause the Londoners to finally say that they have had enough.
19 posted on 07/03/2002 8:04:46 AM PDT by Shooter 2.5
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To: glc1173@aol.com
Hmmmm....age based genocide...surveillance society...protected status for murderers...it looks
like all those fine lads who took to the air in Spitfires and Hurricanes to repell Hitler fought for nought. His vitory came posthumously and without a shot (especially by a civilian) being fired.
20 posted on 07/03/2002 8:07:22 AM PDT by Wm Bach
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