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Congress unites in fear of world 'government'
UK Times online ^ | July 02, 2002 | James Bone in New York

Posted on 07/02/2002 2:11:59 AM PDT by bradactor

July 02, 2002

Congress unites in fear of world 'government' From James Bone in New York

AMERICA’S conservatives see the creation of the first global criminal court as another step towards a sinister “world government” that threatens US sovereignty. They denounce the new tribunal as a “kangaroo court” set up by a deeply suspect United Nations. “The White House is bowing to conservatives who have a kneejerk reaction to any international body that has even the most remote authority to tell the United States what to do,” The New York Times commented.

But the opposition in this case extends across the political spectrum. Congress has taken the extraordinary step of passing legislation that would authorise military action to free any American taken into custody. “Even Hillary Clinton voted for it,” one congressional aide said. “The idea that it’s some right-wing paranoid fear about the International Criminal Court (ICC) is not true.

“In the US political context, the supporters of the ICC are a small minority — one fifth of the Senate. The other four fifths were ready to pile in. The court is seen as an assault on the United States and US sovereignty.”

As the world’s sole remaining superpower, the United States has the same suspicion as 19th-century Britain did of “foreign entanglements”. This longstanding isolationist tendency prevented the United States from joining the League of Nations and has left it deeply sceptical about the UN, which many conservatives see as an ungodly organisation once dominated by communists and now largely controlled by unreliable Europeans.

US negotiators tried and failed to give the UN Security Council control over which cases come before the court, which would have allowed Washington to use its UN veto to block the prosecution of Americans.

As a result, the US was not among the 120 states that endorsed the creation of the court at a 1998 conference in Rome. But President Clinton did eventually sign on as his last act in office so that the United States could remain engaged in negotiations.

Once it became clear that the court would come into existence without the changes sought by Washington, the Bush Administration told the UN it was “unsigning” the Rome Treaty.

William Pace, head of the non-governmental Coalition for the International Criminal Court, said: “What has happened is an international organisation is being established that the United States cannot control through the Security Council. This is the real ideological offence that is being taken. Even though it’s not going to be able to tell the US Government what to do, the fact that US citizens can be subject to international jurisdiction is unacceptable to the United States.”

Because the new tribunal has jurisdiction over crimes that take place on the territory of a state party, American nationals might be brought to justice even though the United States rejects the court.

While the Pentagon worries that American soldiers might be prosecuted for purely political motives — that was the reason given for the vetoing the UN mission in Bosnia — there is an equally compelling fear driving US policy.

In the wake of Britain’s arrest of Augusto Pinochet, the former Chilean dictator, the attempted legal action in Belgium against Ariel Sharon, the Israeli Prime Minister, and the renewed controversy over Henry Kissinger’s role in the Vietnam War, Washington is also concerned that former ministers might be the targets of prosecution. Donald Rumsfeld, the Defence Secretary, for instance, might be arrested while travelling abroad on spurious charges stemming from the War on Terror.

“Americans, by virtue of America’s international reach, certainly would become in due course the foremost targets,” the Dallas Morning News said.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Constitution/Conservatism; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: congress; conservatives; un; worldcourt; worldgovernment
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1 posted on 07/02/2002 2:11:59 AM PDT by bradactor
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Then stop the funding of the ICTY and the blackmail of Serbia!!!
2 posted on 07/02/2002 2:21:03 AM PDT by konijn
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To: konijn
Why? Serbs deserve what they get. Before they started killing Muslims, they were killing Christian Croats.
3 posted on 07/02/2002 2:26:59 AM PDT by LenS
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To: bradactor
Even though it’s not going to be able to tell the US Government what to do, the fact that US citizens can be subject to international jurisdiction is unacceptable to the United States.”

The Red Queen doesn't seem to understand why we don't want to be judged by people who see nothing contradictory about that statement.

Off with their heads.

4 posted on 07/02/2002 2:42:30 AM PDT by Madame Dufarge
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To: bradactor
The US has got to get the F out of the UN. Kick that org as far overseas as is humanly possible and fogit about it!

The rest of the world is jealous as can be of the US. They sap us dry at every opportunity. Frankly, we'd save tens of billions each year by telling those thankless a.h.s where to stick their requests for more money.

When Europe would have to start footing the lion's share of the UN fees, it would fall flat on it's ass. Then end.

6 posted on 07/02/2002 3:00:52 AM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: DoughtyOne
The US has got to get the F out of the UN. Kick that org as far overseas as is humanly possible and fogit about it!

If we do not do this then the world government will happen in our lifetime.

7 posted on 07/02/2002 3:28:48 AM PDT by Mixer
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To: bradactor
“Even Hillary Clinton voted for it, …”

Will the wonders never cease!
Of course, there could be a more personal reason. Our war against Yugoslavia was illegal under international law – and Bill and others would be liable for arrest and imprisonment by the new court.

8 posted on 07/02/2002 3:37:07 AM PDT by R. Scott
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To: bradactor
“The idea that it’s some right-wing paranoid fear about the International Criminal Court (ICC) is not true.

That's good news - We can all discard our tin foil hats now.

9 posted on 07/02/2002 3:42:16 AM PDT by chainsaw
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To: LenS
First my statement has noting to do with 9/11, muslims, serb apologies but everything with hypocrisy. You tell me why the US blackmails nations to surrender to the US and Saudi funded ICTY court and does everything to torpedo the ICC, both under the auspicies of the UN. Should be obvious. The ICTY was a tool for US geopolical and military aims in the Balkans. If Bush would be honest he should acknowledge that and shut it down. Mission accomplished: Milo is a goner, the Albanians are 'free', NATO won. People would understand. If he does not the ICTY will come back to haunt the US: just wait untill the Europeans start 'leaking' the US it's dirty laundry in the Balkans: operation Harvest, smugling of arms to bosnian jihadists, training of the KLA, in fact taking sides in every civil war there was. This leaking already started with the dutch inteligence report on the 17 US advisors in Arecinevo. Expect more to come with the US en EU rift widening on the ICC and balkans peacekeeping and the Milosovics trial moving to the defence part.
10 posted on 07/02/2002 4:05:00 AM PDT by konijn
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To: R. Scott
What do you think their responce would be to "Clinton Speak" comments like "that depends on how you define 'is'". Hillary might even be called to testify and might have to tell some truths to save her own neck.
11 posted on 07/02/2002 4:13:35 AM PDT by Jack of Diamonds
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To: bradactor
AMERICA’S conservatives see the creation of the first global criminal court as another step towards a sinister “world government” that threatens US sovereignty.

Nuff said.

12 posted on 07/02/2002 4:29:43 AM PDT by rintense
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To: bradactor
What's wrong with Americans being judged by people who openly support Hamas and al-Qaeda? /sarcasm
13 posted on 07/02/2002 4:50:07 AM PDT by Excuse_My_Bellicosity
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To: LenS
Why? Serbs deserve what they get. Before they started killing Muslims, they were killing Christian Croats.

There was a civil war and Croats were killing Serbs and Muslism as well. Every nation fought some war at some time and war involves killing. Does it mean that every nation deserves to be ruined and enslaved?

14 posted on 07/02/2002 4:54:15 AM PDT by A. Pole
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To: R. Scott
I beleive the courts authority was to start 7/01/02. No liability for previous actions. But once the foot is in the door, who knows what power they will assume.
Get out of the UN, World Bank, IMF, Import Export Bank and the WTO would be the best way to avoid world government, we don't need this NWO crap.
15 posted on 07/02/2002 5:01:00 AM PDT by steve50
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To: bradactor
My question is why are we even giving this issue the modicum of legitimacy its proponents desire? A resounding "get lost" should suffice. Why should we try to negotiate for our partial involvement in the ICC? We have to stand firm and tell the socialist UN to take thier ICC and blow it out their collective butts!!

The "liberal" slant of this article deserves its own thread.

16 posted on 07/02/2002 5:04:41 AM PDT by Constitutional Patriot
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[America is] deeply sceptical about the UN, which many conservatives see as an ungodly organisation once dominated by communists and now largely controlled by unreliable Europeans.

Oh, how I WISH this was true!

17 posted on 07/02/2002 5:11:04 AM PDT by 11th Earl of Mar
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To: bradactor
The entire article is Barbra Streisand. The ICC is unconstitutional. End of story. Doesn't matter even if we DID want it, we still couldn't approve it. It's not our fault the rest of the world doesn't give a damn about their own soverignty (probably because they know the only way they stand a chance of having even an iota of a say in what goes on in the world is to be part of the UN or the EU).

Aren't China and Russia, two other countries powerful enough to tell everyone else to go F off, also ignoring the ICC?

18 posted on 07/02/2002 5:11:25 AM PDT by Timesink
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To: bradactor
All I can say is let 'em try to detain one of our armed forces or diplomats. They'll find out quick enough that we're not Chile.
19 posted on 07/02/2002 5:31:06 AM PDT by wimpycat
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“The White House is bowing to conservatives who have a kneejerk reaction to any international body that has even the most remote authority to tell the United States what to do,” The New York Times commented.

Of course we defend national sovernty! Who wants other nations dictating our lives? Idiots.
What if the world court decided the press was too free? How about regulating the press from China?

“Even Hillary Clinton voted for it,”

Wasn't her idea, I'm sure. She saw the polls and Bill would be in international prison for attempting to rule the world. DUH!

which many conservatives see as an ungodly organisation once dominated by communists and now largely controlled by unreliable Europeans.

Uh....yeh! Looks who's on the human rights comissions. God, I have trouble reading articles written by stupid people!

President Clinton did eventually sign on as his last act in office so that the United States could remain engaged in negotiations.

He also sold our military technology to Communist Red China to win an election. Doesn't give him much credibility in the U.S. now does it? How much power did the UN offer the anti-Christ for signing the world court agreement?

20 posted on 07/02/2002 5:40:02 AM PDT by concerned about politics
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