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New Proof for the Ownership of Firearms in Colonial Times
"A Few Bloody Noses" ^ | June 23, 2002 | William Gerard Hamilton

Posted on 06/23/2002 4:17:27 PM PDT by Pharmboy

There have been several threads here on FreeRepublic about the author/liar Michael Bellesiles and his "book" Arming America: The Origins of the Gun Culture where the claim is made that gun ownership at the time of the American Revolution was relatively rare. I have come across an interesting refutation of this from an unlikely source.

For Father’s Day this year my son gave me ”A Few Bloody Noses” by Robert Harvey, the subtitle of which is The Realities and Mythologies of the American Revolution.

Early on, Harvey attempts to set the mood on both sides of the Atlantic. He quotes from a letter written by a British patriot-sympathizer, William Gerard Hamilton, who was Secretary for Ireland at the time. Harvey does not supply a date for the letter. Here is an excerpt from the text (p. 77):

As to America, I wish we may not burn our fingers, and do our enemies’ work for them, by quarreling among ourselves. There are, in the different provinces, about a million of people, of which we may suppose at least 200,000 men able to bear arms; and not only able to bear arms, but having arms in their possession, unrestrained by any iniquitous Game Act. In the Massachusetts government particularly, there is an express law, by which every man is obliged to have a musket, a pound of powder, and a pound of bullets always by him: so there is nothing wanting but knapsacks (or old stockings which will do as well) to equip an army for marching, and nothing more than a Sartorius or a Spartacus at their head requisite to beat your troops and your custom-house officers out of the country, and set your laws at defiance.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: americanrevolution; banglist; rhodesia; secondamendment
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BTW, the book is pretty good. Interesting to see Brit scholarship on this subject that is pretty even-handed. Harvey was an Minister of Parliament.
1 posted on 06/23/2002 4:17:28 PM PDT by Pharmboy
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To: Pharmboy
What was the "iniquitous Game Act"? Was this a British gun-contol law, or prohibitions on hunting his majesty's deer?
2 posted on 06/23/2002 4:27:32 PM PDT by gitmo
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To: Pharmboy
In the Massachusetts government particularly, there is an express law, by which every man
is obliged to have a musket, a pound of powder, and a pound of bullets always by him...


I can't wait for author/liar Michael Bellesiles and his fellow travelers to challenge this
historical information as a fraud.

Even just to throw the spotlight of truth of poor Michael.

Too bad for Bellesiles. Being in academia for so long, he forgot that you can't
shut up every person in the public square. Unless you have a gun and enough ammo!!!

Bellesiles and his ilk should be made to regret their attempt at agenda-driven,
Soviet-style Stalinist revisionism.
3 posted on 06/23/2002 4:28:22 PM PDT by VOA
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To: *bang_list
*Index Bump
4 posted on 06/23/2002 4:29:23 PM PDT by Fish out of Water
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To: gitmo
I was afraid someone would ask that.

Harvey makes no reference to it in the text, but I would imagine--as you have--that it had something to do with firearms being allowed only to persons who had a legitimate right to hunt game. But it's only a guess...

5 posted on 06/23/2002 4:30:41 PM PDT by Pharmboy
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To: thefactor
A *ping* for you...
6 posted on 06/23/2002 4:37:01 PM PDT by Pharmboy
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To: VOA
In VA, head-of-households were required to own enough guns to arm every male in the household, and males were required to bring their guns to church on sundays.

See US v. Emmerson for an exact citation. (available on GOA, eg).

7 posted on 06/23/2002 4:37:51 PM PDT by patton
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To: Pharmboy
Interesting find. It's strange that there is even a question about gun ownership in early America.

Old gun books don't question the extent of ownership during that era.

I inherited a French made flintlock pistol, manufactured circa 1778. The gun is in fair condition. The cost of reconditioning it to 'good' condition was $800.00. The appraisal for this gun in good condition was $400.00.

I asked why only $400.00. The answer was, these aren't rare, there are too many around.

8 posted on 06/23/2002 4:40:40 PM PDT by CWRWinger
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To: Pharmboy
Here you go:

Charles had been following a policy of disarmament "by successive steps" with "a train of enterprizes."[48] But despite the prohibitions Charles had enacted, politically and religiously correct subjects were still allowed to own registered guns. This situation changed, however, with the Game Act of 1671.[49] The initiative for the Act came from Parliament, rather than the King, but he insisted that it be vigorously enforced (p. 56).

This from:

 
IT ISN'T ABOUT DUCK HUNTING: THE BRITISH ORIGINS OF THE RIGHT TO ARMS, David Kopel, Second Amendment, Gun Control, Joyce

9 posted on 06/23/2002 4:42:28 PM PDT by backhoe
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To: backhoe
Thank you.

I never knew that "gun control" laws started that early in the British Isles. Very interesting.

10 posted on 06/23/2002 4:45:42 PM PDT by Pharmboy
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To: gitmo
RE: Game Act, I found this:

"In England the older statutes relating to game were all repealed early in the 19th century. From the time of Richard II. (1389) to 1831, no person might kill game unless qualified by estate or social standing, a qualification raised from a 405. freehold in 1389 to an interest of £100 a year in freehold or ~I5o in long leaseholds (1673). In 1831 this qualification by estate was abolished as to England. "

From this site, http://50.1911encyclopedia.org/G/GA/GAME_LAWS.htm

11 posted on 06/23/2002 4:51:53 PM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: VOA
Here it is;

The American colonists exercised their right to bear arms under the English Bill of Rights. Indeed, the English government’s success in luring Englishmen to America was due in part to pledges that the immigrants and their children would continue to possess "all the rights of natural subjects, as if born and abiding in England." MALCOLM, supra, at 138. As in England, the colonial militia played primarily a defensive role, with armies of volunteers organized whenever a campaign was necessary. Id. at 139. Statutes in effect bore evidence of an individual right to bear arms during colonial times. For example, a 1640 Virginia statute required "all masters of families" to furnish themselves and "all those of their families which shall be capable of arms . . . with arms both offensive and defensive." Id. (citing THE OLD DOMINION IN THE SEVENTEENTH CENTURY: A DOCUMENTARY HISTORY OF VIRGINIA, 1606-1689, at 172 (Warren M. Billings ed., 1975). A 1631 Virginia law required "all men that are fittinge to beare armes, shall bring their pieces to church . . . for drill and target practice." Hardy, supra, at 588 (quoting 1 WILLIAM W. HENING, THE STATUTES AT LARGE: BEING A COLLECTION OF ALL THE LAWS OF VIRGINIA FROM THE FIRST SESSION OF THE LEGISLATURE IN THE YEAR 1619, at 173-74 (reprint. 1969) (1823). These laws served the twofold purpose of providing individual self-defense while giving England a reserve force available in time of war. Murley, supra, at 20.

From SAF's Files.

12 posted on 06/23/2002 4:54:19 PM PDT by patton
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To: Pharmboy
You bet- it was easy once I figured out the right filters.
13 posted on 06/23/2002 5:03:58 PM PDT by backhoe
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To: patton
thanks for the documentation...
I knew Belleisles had to be full of --it the first time I heard of his work of fiction.

A 1631 Virginia law required "all men that are fittinge to beare armes,
shall bring their pieces to church . . . for drill and target practice."


LOL!
I remember in some Congressional hearing about the Waco incident, one of the survivors
(who was from Maine, or somewhere else in New England) said that one thing that he had
a hard time getting used to was doing target practice with Koresh and all the
Branch Davidians after Sunday services.

I chuckled because this was a common practice for the guys in my family while
growing up in Oklahoma.
Looks like the Virginia practice is still alive...
14 posted on 06/23/2002 5:07:32 PM PDT by VOA
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To: Pharmboy
Thank you for posting this information.
15 posted on 06/23/2002 5:46:53 PM PDT by syriacus
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To: Pharmboy
This is old news ... Everyone knows he is a liar and just creating revisionist fodder for the liberals.
16 posted on 06/23/2002 6:04:07 PM PDT by respublica1776
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To: syriacus
Ditto!
17 posted on 06/23/2002 6:05:03 PM PDT by elbucko
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To: Pharmboy
Thanks for the post. It's great to see more facts to refute the lies of those who are unworthy of our liberties.

WFTR's RKBA Writings
Bill

18 posted on 06/23/2002 6:14:28 PM PDT by WFTR
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To: syriacus
My pleasure...you can imagine my ol' Freeper smile when I first read it.
19 posted on 06/23/2002 6:36:10 PM PDT by Pharmboy
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To: respublica1776
Hmmm..."Member since June 23, 2002"

What a nice way to introduce yourself. Not.

20 posted on 06/23/2002 6:51:20 PM PDT by Pharmboy
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