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Bret Edmunds Found in West Virginia
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Posted on 06/21/2002 11:58:31 AM PDT by newsperson999

wanted for questions in the elizabeth smart kidnapping found in a hospital SOURCE HERE


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To: brewcrew
"No disrespect to the Smarts intended, but isn't it interesting how the rich, white girl gets all the media attention? Alexis is no less precious to her family and friends."

Nice race card. Alexis's "family" namely her stepfather, are the prime suspects. From the link above:

"But the Milwaukee Police Department later questioned Bourgeois and Ayanna Bourgeois, Alexis’ mother, for nearly 10 hours. A Milwaukee newspaper reported that LaRon Bourgeois failed a polygraph test on the girls’ disappearance. Ayanna Bourgeois passed her tests, the newspaper said.

281 posted on 06/21/2002 7:11:37 PM PDT by Justa
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To: Pistacio
"I am somewhat surprised that a 14 year old girl of her familes financial means did not have a telephone extension in her room."

Well, not everyone does everything the way you would. I don't plan on letting my girls have a phone in their bedroom, and my sisters never had a phone in theirs.
282 posted on 06/21/2002 7:14:13 PM PDT by Grig
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To: Pistacio
I'm the youngest of 4 girls. We *never* had phones in our rooms. My daughter is 12 and will not have a phone in her room for quite a while. What's the big deal?
283 posted on 06/21/2002 7:16:45 PM PDT by homeschool mama
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To: PoisedWoman
Sounds like the screenplay of Blue Velvet.

But I'm not buying any of it, yet. Or only at a really steep discount from retail.

285 posted on 06/21/2002 7:42:28 PM PDT by Erasmus
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To: 4ourprogeny
From what it sounds like, Mary Katherine pretended to be asleep. And if there were quilts on the bed, well, she probably isn't a very big girl. I don't know, but I have seen people in beds and the beds don't look as if they are occupied.
286 posted on 06/21/2002 7:46:26 PM PDT by Utah Girl
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To: 4ourprogeny
Which is...

Insufficient light source is what we are told.

Maybe she was able to distinguish features more clearly when she saw the perp in another part of the house, like the hallway or the top of the stairs looking down. Maybe there was a night light on in the hallway.

Disclaimer: this is all conjecture.

287 posted on 06/21/2002 7:51:11 PM PDT by Carolina
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To: Vinomori
I appreciate precision with words. You may have "widely criticized" tomes, but no doubt precisely written :)
288 posted on 06/21/2002 8:00:17 PM PDT by Libertina
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To: crystalk
I live in Virginia, and we *ARE* exempt from saying "hairohween" :)
289 posted on 06/21/2002 8:00:24 PM PDT by SarahW
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To: 4ourprogeny
I thought the lights were on during the abduction.

Was it in the bedroom or in the hallway? I'm jumbling up my memory of details. Were we even told? I'll go and do a search.

291 posted on 06/21/2002 8:04:35 PM PDT by Carolina
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To: Timesink
Oh, you are quite right there, I am well aware of what acetominophen can do. Why on earth do people take it, when aspirin would be twice as effective a pain killer with not a thousandth the liver risk? A few tylenol with alcohol, kiss the cruel world goodbye.

I meant, of course, if the liver was in that shape and no other etiology or history was available.

292 posted on 06/21/2002 8:15:08 PM PDT by crystalk
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To: All
I have said before that I think Edmunds has been used as a diversion. I just went back and checked the timeline on this story, and it sure looks to me like "breaking news" on Edmunds always coincides very closely with damaging info on the family. If any of you are so inclined, you might go back and check for yourselves. Just an observation.......
293 posted on 06/21/2002 8:24:45 PM PDT by freedox
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To: EnquiringMind; Plummz
Edmonds, or someone else, was blackmailing the Smarts about the gay business, they got sick of paying, saw a kidnapping/ransom as the next step. ..... Could be. And maybe the Smarts ran out of money. NE story says Smarts were about to sell their large home and move the entire family into a small ski cabin in the mountains.

I feel the noose beginning to tighten, but Elizabeth may not be in it. Motivations. Perps. Rationale. Besides that extraordinary statement that the Smarts were moving to a ski cabin, the NE article also mentioned that Elizabeth was very cautious, never walked around neighborhood without her sister. Perhaps she had been threatened before. Maybe recently.

Was "ski cabin" on property that would become or already was a ski resort? Lots of money in that kind of venture. Was Ed Smart part of some real estate consortium? Were all of his partners above board? Was he?

Other peculiar piece of the puzzle: Mary Kathrine can read the Polo logo on the perp's shirt...and we're supposed to believe she didn't see his face?

Uncle's bizarre statement on Larry King that "this is a beautiful story." (Sounds like he's president of the SLC chapter of NAMBLA.)

Every time she's interviewed, Lois Smart keeps talking TO Elizabeth... Lois may know who has her daughter. Lois may know why the girl was taken. And Lois truly cannot stand her husband...just notice the way she looks at him.

OK. So Ed Smart was losing money. Perhaps in his legitimate business, perhaps also in some shady business. Internat porn sales? Heroin sales? Gay sex prostitution ring that was discovered by blackmailer?

Who is blackmailer?

Edmund worked for Smart as male model or prostitute and Smart owed him money?

Dark-complected guy with Scottish golf cap and hairy hands/arms shows up in the house. Maybe not altogether a surprise? Maybe not altogether a stranger? Is the mob muscling in on the Net porn business? Am I raciallly profiling? Would they pass up the chance to blackmail a guy like Ed Smart who has so much to lose, financially and in terms of reputation in his rather straight-laced community?

Ed Smart remodels houses for at least part of his living. He owed contractor tons of money? Contractor was threatening to take the house, took daughter instead? Said he'd bring her back when Smart pays up? Ed Smart gets hysterical and calls police after two hours of consulting with neighbors and obliterating fingerprints.

Cops release no sketch. Why should they? They already know who they're looking for. But perp is truly ticked that Smart called the cops...now he may actually kill the girl. Or cause her death "accidentally." Or spirit her away, out of the country. Profiling again: Is dark-skinned guy Arabic? A Lebanese contractor? Or Tunisian? Iranian? Did he wrap LLiz in a burqa-type veil, give/sell her to an oil prince? (I'm getting ahead of the National Enquirer, but somebody has to do it.)

Lois Smart continues to hate her husband. She may break stride with him and give the game away. I'm certain she would if she believed it would bring back Elizabeth. But breaking stride means disobeying her church, I think, and all of her values.

Living in a Mormon community is wonderful when things go right, but what about when things fall apart at the seams? What if Ed Smart turns out to be a lying, filthy perverted creep? What happens to Lois? Will your neighbors ostracize you? Your friends turn their backs? The humiliation and embarrassment Lois Smart is going through must be horrendous on top of her grief about losing her daughter. What a rotten position she's in, with Elizabeth missing and all of her other children to protect. Protect from what? Death? Their father? The truth? Even MORE shame and embarrassment? Phew!

294 posted on 06/21/2002 8:39:00 PM PDT by PoisedWoman
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To: Utah Girl
you could be right about Edmonds being involved. Could have taken her to trade for drugs, drug money, or perversion.Not good news. But if the profilers are right about the perp being someone respected in the community then I do not hold out much hope for Elizabeth. I am still praying the nut that took her loves her enough to send her safely back to her family. I honestly think its time to start making an example of these creeps whenever we catch one.
295 posted on 06/21/2002 8:39:48 PM PDT by dalebert
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To: PoisedWoman
There are some other things to factor in here. Despite protestations to the press, I don't think the family is as close as they pretend to be. Tom Smart, who has appeared suspicious to me from the start with his erratic hyperactivity and his bizarre statements, may be the blackmailer. Tom said today he lives 25 miles out of town...while all the others are right near grandpa's house. It has been reported that Tom is not an observant Mormon, a backslider, if you will. His wife Heidi always looks nervous and extremely frightened on camera.

Also, I thought the family were lifelong residents of SLC. Tom said today they moved there when he was 13, so they're not exactly the tightest insiders--not as tight as the Francoms, whose roots go all the way back. A Francom ancestor was Brigham Young's bodyguard.

Some interesting family dynamics going on here. Tom draws Ed into his perversions, then blackmails him because he himself is into the Mob for gambling debts? Tom, as a photog for Deseret, has an inside track with sports teams.

There is a whole lot going on here behind the scenes. Enough to start a Salt Lake City version of the old soap opera "Dallas".
296 posted on 06/21/2002 9:16:35 PM PDT by Palladin
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To: Palladin
Tom Smart on "Larry King Live", June 17: SMART: I believe that this person is not a bad person at all. And our family has felt strongly for a while. And there's been a comfort here for a while. This is just somebody who actually likes Elizabeth. We don't know -- we have issues. We've been ripped apart by our polygraph. I don't know who has done what with my brothers.

We all have issues. Anybody's taken -- we've been ripped apart to the core. And we understand that everybody has issues. And we pray hard that whoever this is will know that the family is full of compassion towards everybody because this is a wonderful story, in a lot of ways.

Because it's about, foremost, a beautiful, little angelic girl. But it's also about -- everybody has issues no matter what. It crosses the boundaries on everything. It's an amazing story.

297 posted on 06/21/2002 9:29:55 PM PDT by Palladin
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To: Grig
This theopretical group would no doubt brand apostate the hierarchy that brands them apostate.
298 posted on 06/21/2002 9:34:03 PM PDT by Plummz
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To: Timesink
Why would he take all that Tylenol? Do you think someone may have "helped" him?
299 posted on 06/21/2002 9:35:49 PM PDT by Plummz
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To: PoisedWoman
May you never be in the position of having a child abducted. The Smarts are having their lives ripped apart with the loss of a child, and they have thrown open everything to investigators. And quite frankly some of your statements are slanderous. Head of the SLC chapter of NAMBLA???

And there is nothing wrong with Lois Smart talking to her daughter. She is hoping against hope that her daughter is alive and can hear her, and she is doing what any mother would do, tell her that she loves her, to pray, and remember that the Lord is with her.

As far as having a cabin goes, my family has a cabin, and we are far from wealthy. It is actually a log home that my father and brothers built. They've been offered 4-5 times what it cost to build, but won't sell. It is nice to have somewhere to escape from the everyday pressures of life. I don't see anything nefarious in that desire. As far as living in a ski cabin, there are very nice expensive cabins just up the canyons from SLC, which are actually like homes, and the areas have all the amenities of small cities. I haven't heard that the Smarts were planning to move to a ski cabin, do you have a source?

As far as Lois Smart hating her husband, I don't see that. She appears at press conferences and is condemned for not looking sad enough, she doesn't appear and is condemned for hiding something.

And believe you me, if (heaven forbid) Ed Smart or whomever turns out to have anything to do with this abduction, Lois Smart will NOT be ostracized. We do not punish people for the sins of others.

300 posted on 06/21/2002 9:36:44 PM PDT by Utah Girl
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