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newsmax ^ | 6.19.02 | Barry Farber

Posted on 06/19/2002 3:17:46 PM PDT by swarthyguy

First, understand what I'm NOT saying. I'm not saying I'm a great columnist. I'm not even saying I'm a good columnist.

I'm saying only that I've been writing columns for some publication or other since 1950. Thousands of them.

And I'm saying nothing I've ever written has ever caused me more pain than this one.

Among the things that give me maximum pleasure in the world are my children, football, North Carolina barbecue, Polish music, skinny blondes, and brotherhood.

Yes, brotherhood. I quite literally weep with joy at stories of courageous whites preventing white haters in the South from lynching blacks, Ukrainian farmers risking their lives to hide Jews from the Nazis, Serbian monks protecting ethnic Albanians in Kosovo, Greeks and Turks selling hot dogs together from street carts in New York.

Freaky? Maybe. But, maybe not. Some people like all that sexy stuff. Some like all that violent stuff. Some like all that expensive stuff. I just happen to like all that brotherly stuff.

As a senior at the University of North Carolina in 1952 I led the successful fight to desegregate Kenan Stadium; and that was long before you got hugged by Hollywood movie stars or quoted in Newsweek for such activities that far South.

The French leader who handed Algeria its independence after World War II had better damned well be a tough French nationalist with a good war record. And he was: Gen. Charles DeGaulle. The American president who popped up in Beijing to open relations with communist China in the middle of the Cold War against communism had better damned well be a tough anti-communist, and not some soft-on-communism Democrat. And he was: Richard Nixon.

And you'd better have a thick scrapbook of brotherly deeds before you wonder out loud whether the "brotherhood" you've spent your life promoting and practicing is still appropriate to the Moslem world.

Brotherhood, morally correct back then, may actually be suicidal now. Throughout all our wars we've had people in America who were "of" the enemy; born of the enemy, descendants of the enemy, sympathetic with the enemy, enamored with the enemy, even willing to fight and die for the enemy.

But it never amounted to much. If any Hispanics residing in America made trouble for America during the Spanish-American War, history hasn't told us about it. During World War I we had a good-sized German population, but no major problems of sabotage or disloyalty. In fact, America's greatest air ace of that war was the enfabled German-American Eddie Rickenbacker.

In World War II we had Germans who up, the instant we went to war against Germany, admired Adolf Hitler, Italians who admired Mussolini, and Japanese who were overawed by the military power of their native Japan.

But when the war started, they all proved they were reliable Americans by a majority so overwhelming that the remainder gave us nothing to talk about.

And there's nothing strange about that. The only force tugging against their loyalty to America was their nationalism. And that little "hometown" tug was easily overcome by their awareness that America's democracy trumped the fascism of their homelands.

Today is different.

Islamic Antagonism

Today we have millions of residents, many if not most American citizens, who have, not a nationalistic, but a RELIGIOUS antagonism toward America. The Germans, Italians, and Japanese in America during World War II had zero RELIGIOUS hatred of America.

Islam does.

And all attempts by my brother "brotherhoodists" to spin that reality away are so futile they've been largely abandoned. Too much is now known of what's taught in the "madrassas," Islamic religious schools. Too much is known about what's preached in the mosques and spread through the Moslem media.

Right after 9-11 I, too, instinctively wanted to believe the terrorists were merely an aberrational few and that most Moslems, certainly in America, were little more than Catholics with a different doctrine, Jews with slightly darker complexions, or Presbyterians who wrote from right to left whose men preferred facial hair and whose women covered their heads differently.

Before 9/11 my brotherly intuition left me to assume the little Mustafas of Dearborn, Mich., and the little Achmeds of Alabama were patted on their backs by their proud fathers for learning to recite the Bill of Rights and urged by their mothers to hurry up and learn the Preamble to the Constitution.

Sorry. Not sarcastically sorry; I'm genuinely sorry.

Islam's religious antagonism to American political and social values is as powerful as it is primitive. Thomas Jefferson's sparkling exhortations in favor of democracy bounce like BBs off the thick armor of fundamentalist Islam – especially the kind of hateful, fundamentalist Islam force-pumped into those American mosques financed by the Wahabi sect of Saudi Arabia.

(What percentage of American mosques are financed by Saudi Arabia? The common figure most often heard is 50 percent!)

In World War II, Lutheran clergymen with German congregations in America never once said, "We must undermine America for our beloved Fuhrer Adolf Hitler. Catholic priests in Italian parishes never once said, "America is decadent, and we must bring it down for our beloved Duce, Benito Mussolini." And Japanese-American troops, called "nisei," demoralized their German foes in Italy with their combat ferocity.

Mosques all over America, however, are echo chambers for the Wahabi line. And it's pretty awful.

'America Is the Enemy'

"America is the enemy. Unbelievers in Islam deserve death. We must work with our Islamic brothers for Jihad! There is no higher distinction than martyrdom against the infidels who despoil our sacred soil with their unbelieving feet and aid the wretched Jew in their usurpation of our holy territory."

Heady stuff!

What gives me the right to worry about the octane of our Moslem countrymen's loyalty?

I glide easily to such concerns without infiltrating a mosque, purloining confidential documents from any Islamic organization, swallowing one drop of propaganda from Moslem-bashers, or wire-tapping a single imam.

All I had to do was observe the American Islamic reaction to 9-11. Or, heartbreakingly enough, the lack thereof.

Spiders weave webs. Beavers build dams. Humans react. The entire global Jewish community reacted instantly and thunderously denounced the crazed Jewish settler in Hebron who entered a mosque and slaughtered 50 or more Moslems at prayer. America instantly and thunderously denounced the accidental destruction of an Iranian civilian plane by an American military ship in the Persian Gulf.

Israel denounced its own assassination of an innocent Moroccan Arab in Lillehammar, Norway, who was catastrophically mistaken for one of the terrorists who murdered the Israeli athletes at the 1972 Olympics in Munich.

Listen now to the Moslem community of America. Listen closely!

Since Sept. 11, 2001 we've heard not one single, rousing, convincing, united blanket denunciation of the terror attack from the American Islamic community. Neither have we heard any rousing, convincing, etc. pro-American declaration from that community since that tragic date.

Everything we've heard is defensive. "Islam is a peaceful religion." "You can't indict our whole group because of a few terrorists." "You cannot discriminate against us because of our ethnicity or religion." "You are PROFILING!"

Agreed! But where are the ringing affirmations that they, the American Muslims, join the rest of us in victimhood and outrage against the attackers? Where is their proactive demand that all who commit such attacks be extirpated and annihilated?

If you put that question to "Islamic spokesmen" in the United States they will quickly furnish you with the names of prominent Moslems here and there who protested and a mosque or two in Jersey City and Sacramento that, indeed, issued supportive statements. But there's no political stethoscope powerful enough to detect any real fury palpitating behind the breast-bones of American Moslems, at least not fury against the terrorist attackers.

Am I asking too much when I expect just as much anti-terrorist, pro-American solidarity from the Islamic community as I do from the Protestant, Catholic and Jewish communities? Is it too much to ask the same sentiment from American Palestinians, Egyptians, Saudis, Jordanians, Iraqis, etc. as I do from Americans of every other national origin?

The muted and ambiguous murmur we do hear from our American Moslems makes me feel rather like the president of a corporation in the hospital who gets a note from the chairman of the board stating, "I have been authorized by the board of directors to wish you a speedy recovery – by vote of five to four!"

My lifelong friends in the "Brotherhood Caucus" try to restrain me. "Relax!" they counsel. "These people are shy. They're new here. They don't know how to react yet. It's not their style or tradition to protest or picket, or hold up placards, or even speak out loud."

That placated me for a while; but suddenly the American Moslems proved they did, indeed, have a voice; a loud one at that, that needed no coaxing.

Any shyness that might have prevented American Moslems from locking arms, hearts, and voices with other Americans after 9-11 vanished when the Israeli military entered Ramallah and Jenin to root out the terrorist bomb factories and suicide-homicide schools (operating, incidentally, quite openly inside refugee camps run by the United Nations!)

It was comforting to learn our American Moslems have a voice. It was disappointing to learn that voice is raised, not when their co-religionists attack America, but only when their co-religionist murderers face obliteration at the hands of Israelis seeking self-defense.

I'm an American who believes in God, seeks to serve his fellow man, likes a drink, and, though occasionally glancing at graven images of scantily clad women in our culture, wishes there were fewer.

If my lifestyle is punishable, I want it to be punished by the Almighty Himself when He decides to render judgment upon me personally; and not by those living in the most God-kissed country on earth who quietly cheer the monsters of 9-11 and denounce those who interfere with their U.N.-sheltered murderers of innocent soldiers, men, women, and children. I write this, not in hatred, but in disappointment; not in anger, but dismay.

Hello, Moslems of America! Do you really want to remain the only group in our history who said "No, thanks" to our values, our openness, our eagerness to include, our democracy, and our willingness to make people as different as you are from us?

In my lifetime, Americans of German, Italian and Japanese extraction cheered as their "terrorists" were defeated and our American values replaced the tyrannies of their long-tortured homelands.

I want to live long for many reasons; and among them is the desire to be there when we can lift a glass together – fruit juice for you, vodka-on-the-rocks for me – to celebrate the triumph of democracy in every single nation in the Moslem world.


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To: PoppingSmoke
"Muhammad is God's apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to the unbelievers but merciful to one another."
-- (Surah 48:29)
"Seek out your enemies relentlessly."
-- (Surah 4:103-)

"Believers, take neither Jews nor Christians for your friends."
-- (Surah 5:51)

"...make war on the leaders of unbelief...Make war on them: God will chastise them at your hands and humble them. He will grant you victory over them..."
-- (Surah 9:12-)

"Make war on them until idolatry shall cease and God's religion shall reign supreme."
-- (Surah 8:36-)
"If you do not fight, He will punish you sternly, and replace you by other men."
-- (Surah 9:37-)."
"Prophet make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal rigorously with them. Hell shall be their home."
-- (Surah 9:73)
"Believers, make war on the infidels who dwell around you. Deal firmly with them."
-- (Surah 9:121-)
"Slay them wherever you find them...Idolatry is worse than carnage...Fight against them until idolatry is no more and God's religion reigns supreme."
-- (Surah 2:190-)

""The only true faith in God's sight is Islam."
-- (Surah 3:19)

KNOW ISLAM. READ THE KORAN.

61 posted on 06/20/2002 9:35:23 AM PDT by WarSlut
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To: swarthyguy
Islam is a religon of peace.

Convert or die.

Either way they will leave you in 'peace'

62 posted on 06/20/2002 9:49:47 AM PDT by Just another Joe
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To: WarSlut
bump
63 posted on 06/20/2002 9:51:54 AM PDT by timestax
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To: PoppingSmoke
Why they are not marching? As Barry says, they had no problem marching and rallying at a Palestinian rally but when on US TV last fall, it was always "BUT" - and squiggly phrases like "we condemn all unjustified violence against innocents."

Define unjustified, violence and innocents. Their meanings are not the same as everyone else's; they meanings are colored by the dictates of islam. And anyway, if we don't wipe out the radicals, the moderates will not gain the strength or the courage to speak out.

Jihadis kill moderates everywhere; last week they beheaded a 23 year old MUSLIM woman in Kashmir on her wedding night for 'collaboration' with the Indian police. In Algeria, they murder their Muslim brethren wholesale. Tashbih Sayyed, a courageous journalist from Pakistan hiding in the US becuase of death threats (WWW.paktoday.com) rants against the jihadis and is forced to seek sanctuary in America. The list goes on and on. The moderates need our help big time. If they don't feel comfortable enough to speak out here in the US, imagine the level of intimidation and coercion they're under by the Jihadis of whom, one group, Al-Fuqra, run by a guy name Gilani in Pakistan, who Danny Pearl was trying to meet, has been responsible for stabbing an imam in Arizona and has murdered indian doctors in the USA - Seattle.

64 posted on 06/20/2002 10:05:51 AM PDT by swarthyguy
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To: WarSlut
I am going to warn you just once. You have a right to an opinion. Though declaring death to all Muslims in a serious threat which I will not stand for. I have ended the conversation with you. I care not for your opinion. Continue to send me your babble and I will ask send in an abuse report to FR. Plainly, go bother someone else.
65 posted on 06/20/2002 10:23:17 AM PDT by PoppingSmoke
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To: PoppingSmoke
Respond to me, I respond to you. That's how it works. Report me if you like, it's all the rage these days, but I have every right in the world to speak harshly against a religion that demands its followers to kill and destroy my country and my faith. And I will continue to do so without any regard for what you will or will not stand for.
66 posted on 06/20/2002 10:27:23 AM PDT by WarSlut
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To: swarthyguy
There are many sects in the Muslim and Islamic religions. To call all muslims terrorists is total nonsense and shows just how uneducated people are. Farber should also know better. Why hasn't Farber reached out for some of these? more moderate muslims? Can't find any? Thats nonsense. Not good copy? Not good talk radio? The percentage of radicals in the muslim religion is a small percentage of total muslims and their beliefs. Though they do control many of the Islamic Organizations, which is a problem. BTW, in case your wondering, I am Catholic. Though I have many muslim friends, Some are even FBI and USSS Agents. Many are in the military and hold the Constitution closer than many others.

Just because someone is a muslim does not mean they are terrorist, killers and traitors.

67 posted on 06/20/2002 10:32:00 AM PDT by PoppingSmoke
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To: PoppingSmoke
declaring death to all Muslims in a serious threat which I will not stand for.

How about declaring death to all non-Muslims? Is that a threat you're willing to stand for? Because it's one of the basic tenants of the Islamic "faith".

68 posted on 06/20/2002 10:48:09 AM PDT by WarSlut
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To: moneyrunner
moneyrunner, that is one excellent post!
69 posted on 06/20/2002 10:57:53 AM PDT by tictoc
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To: another cricket
I agree with you. I was just examining one part of this worthless belief/cultural system.
70 posted on 06/20/2002 11:16:12 AM PDT by philosofy123
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To: PoppingSmoke
There are many sects, true. Many of the smaller ones like the Admadiyya in Pakistan are severely per secuted. Sufi Islam in Kashmir has been virtually eradicated in PakistaniKashmir. As it was in Afghanistan under the Taliban. Shiites are persecuted by the Sunni majority in Pakistan. The Wahhahahabis of Saudi, Sunnis, finance most of the mosques in the USA and preach that only their version of islam is valid and all others are useless. This wouldn't matter much except the jihadis subscribe to this, the most well financed branch of islam.

Why does Farber have to reach out? Visit the 'islamic' sites like islamonline and arabnews and gulfnews; read the literature.

And anyway, shouldn't American muslims be more in tune with the modern world? Why are the imams of America preaching Wahhabism? Because they are trained in Saudi and financed by the princes.

Why is it that any statement of truth about islam is taken as an attack upon it. Only a country like the USA would offer the very religion in whose name it was attacked a soapbox.

And what does the USA get in return? Recriminations, fingerpointing, blameassigning and a general call to read the Koran and become well versed in islam. Many people have and their opinions are based on having read extensively about Islam after 9/11.

And then to be told, by the 'moderates' that 9/11 has led to a great flowering and interest in Islam as i was told by an imam acquaintance of mine, expressing pride and joy in Americans interest in islam, conveniently forgetting that it was a act of horrendous mass murder that caused that 'interest' in the first place.

71 posted on 06/20/2002 11:29:47 AM PDT by swarthyguy
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To: swarthyguy
Yes I admit that a lot of the teachings are problems and the infiltration of the groups is also a problem. Yes American Muslims need to reach out. But, even better, both need to reach eachother. Some are trying very hard but get very little press. It is just not news worthy. I refer to to this site however.

Islamic Ssupreme Council

72 posted on 06/20/2002 11:53:08 AM PDT by PoppingSmoke
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To: WarSlut
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73 posted on 06/20/2002 11:54:54 AM PDT by timestax
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To: philosofy123
For the record, I think you are on to something but just didn't take it far enough.

a.cricket

74 posted on 06/20/2002 11:57:23 AM PDT by another cricket
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To: PoppingSmoke
Informative site, it seems. Perhaps you should try posting some articles from it once in a while. And moderates like Kabbani should make pests of themselves with the WH and FoggyBottom where the radical types seems to be ascendant in being invited for photo-ops and the like.
75 posted on 06/20/2002 12:00:03 PM PDT by swarthyguy
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To: another cricket; philosofy123
Jamie Glazov of frontpagemag.com had a brilliant article touching on the sexuality issue last oct/nov.
76 posted on 06/20/2002 12:01:30 PM PDT by swarthyguy
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To: swarthyguy
if we don't wipe out the radicals, the moderates will not gain the strength or the courage to speak out.

There's a greater problem here. How do we identify moderates in a faith that promotes "blessed lies"? According to the Koran, any act committed for the purpose of advancing Islam is sanctioned by Allah. It stands to reason that while one faction of Islam is engaged in jihad against non-believers, another faction, moderate on its face, is engaged in a campaign of lies and disinformation for the sake of Islamic preservation. Even the most radical Islamist understands that a Western war against Islam will bring about the destruction of Islam. He also understands that the legitimate religion status Islam enjoys provides access to the countries they are obligated to destroy. It appears that "moderate" Islam is working hand-in-hand with "fundamentalist" Islam towards the same goal.

I don't doubt that "moderate" Muslims do exist, but I would argue that they aren't "True Muslims". A "True Muslim" understands the words of the Koran and embraces the violence and hatred of Mohammed. To denounce violence and hatred of all non-believers is to denounce the Koran, and by obvious extention, Islam itself. It just doesn't mesh.

So when we say "moderate", we really mean "misinformed". We're referring to those Muslims who don't understand what it is their faith asks of them and what Islam seeks to achieve (world domination through violence and slavery). But how do we seperate them from the "blessed liars" who can tell us to our faces that "Islam is Peace" without so much as blinking, because Allah is smiling down on them? How do we weed out the good from the bad in a religion that makes no distinction between wrong and right (as in, it's all the same if it's in the cause of promoting Islam)?

77 posted on 06/20/2002 12:06:23 PM PDT by WarSlut
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To: KirklandJunction
If you read the newspapers from the Arab countries (all writing approved by the goverment)m and see the hate directed towards Jews and Christians, then what Mr Farber writes is entirely correct. Sad, but true.
78 posted on 06/20/2002 12:11:25 PM PDT by Leto
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To: swarthyguy
It has been a long road for Kabbani. He has been shut out by those at Foggy Bottom and that hornets nest on C Street. But since 911 he and his organization has been making progress. They have been a pests, slowly and quitely. Its to bad that the press does not give him or his folk more time than it does CAIR. Now Farber if you want to write some good material here is an excellent source.
79 posted on 06/20/2002 12:25:23 PM PDT by PoppingSmoke
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To: another cricket
Actually, I have a greater depth of philosophical ideas on why things are the way they are. The historical behaviors of human, and the current culture. For example, the way women dress in sexy revealing outfits that are intended to get men sexually attracted to them? LOOK, BUT DON’T TOUCH phenomena? However, it is too complicated to discuss our culture in this forum. What I wanted to say, however, is the Moslem intellectuals, or the Moslem Men, are threatened by our culture, and feel like they can loose control of subjugating women to be sex slaves, as the Prophet Mohamed had instructed. I don’t remember the exact words of the Koran, but it says something to the effect of; take them (women) any way you please, and any time you please, and if they resist beat them with the whip. Always hang your whip up front so that your wife knows what she is going to get if she refused you, or give you any back talk.
80 posted on 06/20/2002 12:35:54 PM PDT by philosofy123
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