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if we don't wipe out the radicals, the moderates will not gain the strength or the courage to speak out.

There's a greater problem here. How do we identify moderates in a faith that promotes "blessed lies"? According to the Koran, any act committed for the purpose of advancing Islam is sanctioned by Allah. It stands to reason that while one faction of Islam is engaged in jihad against non-believers, another faction, moderate on its face, is engaged in a campaign of lies and disinformation for the sake of Islamic preservation. Even the most radical Islamist understands that a Western war against Islam will bring about the destruction of Islam. He also understands that the legitimate religion status Islam enjoys provides access to the countries they are obligated to destroy. It appears that "moderate" Islam is working hand-in-hand with "fundamentalist" Islam towards the same goal.

I don't doubt that "moderate" Muslims do exist, but I would argue that they aren't "True Muslims". A "True Muslim" understands the words of the Koran and embraces the violence and hatred of Mohammed. To denounce violence and hatred of all non-believers is to denounce the Koran, and by obvious extention, Islam itself. It just doesn't mesh.

So when we say "moderate", we really mean "misinformed". We're referring to those Muslims who don't understand what it is their faith asks of them and what Islam seeks to achieve (world domination through violence and slavery). But how do we seperate them from the "blessed liars" who can tell us to our faces that "Islam is Peace" without so much as blinking, because Allah is smiling down on them? How do we weed out the good from the bad in a religion that makes no distinction between wrong and right (as in, it's all the same if it's in the cause of promoting Islam)?

Your points are very well taken and are highlighted by those 'interfaith' meetings held among Christians, Jews and Muslims. Muslim clerics preaching hate pretend to take part in these gatherings while preaching jihad at other rallies.

I would point to the site that PoppingSmoke posted; a couple of outspoken clerics in the US, one being Kabbani, a target of death threats and journalists like Tashbih Sayyed of paktoday.com.

By whatever means ncessary, the 'moderates' must be shown that whatever their true feelings about violent jihad, it's a dead end for jihadis and for them as well, because we will not let that death philosophy survive to threaten us. Then, even those sympathetic or leaning towards violent jihad will be forced to keep quiet or give it up.

But will take the concept of a total and complete Victory on our part to implement fully.

The concept of a true muslim is a little too theologically oriented for me. Those who attacked us claimed they were, and that's good enough for me.

Personally, i've gotten along better with the 'low' muslims, ie those who violate some of islam's tenets, like having a cold beer. Of course, these 'low' muslims are used as stalking horses by the radicals who will dispose of them when they want.

Perhaps a vigorous editing of the koran is in order. Let's excise the naughty bits and keep the rest.

***"How do we weed out the good from the bad in a religion that makes no distinction between wrong and right "***

This is the point that the 'moderates' do not grasp. They maintain this is not the 'true' islam but you hit the nail on the head: Unless we see vociferous and loud denunciations, how are we unbelievers supposed to tell the difference.