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Southwest will charge large fliers extra fare
Wash Times ^ | 19 jun 02 | Mary Beaudette

Posted on 06/19/2002 7:17:02 AM PDT by white trash redneck

Edited on 07/12/2004 3:54:49 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

Southwest Airlines will start charging larger passengers for two seats on its 2,800 daily flights starting June 26.

The airline, which operates out of 58 U.S. cities and is the largest carrier at Baltimore-Washington International Airport, will begin charging "persons of size" for two seats if they think they may not fit comfortably in one.


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TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: airlines; obesity; peopleofsize
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To: NautiNurse
I was thinking along the lines of leasing a small apartment and trying to fill it with furniture from a four bedroom house. Instead of renting storage facilities for the excess furniture, I would tear down the wall into the neighbor's apartment and put some furniture in there. If they don't like it, they can move. :o)

That's right! Your neightbors shouldn't object to you taking up their space. They can move, or just shut up! :-)

301 posted on 06/19/2002 9:30:18 PM PDT by .38sw
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To: 1Old Pro
I haven't flown in many years. The last time I did, the seats were wide and there was lots of room. I have seen mock ups of the seats now, and they look miserable for everyone fat or not!
The airlines should not have caused this problem in the first place by severely reducing the size of the seats!
I think we all know why they did this, and everyone complains how uncomfortable they are now!
302 posted on 06/19/2002 9:31:57 PM PDT by ladyinred
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To: Houmatt
If it is the fat person who takes up MY space, the lardass gets to move or pay. If I am already sitting in MY assigned seat and your double-wide ass wants to sit by me and crowd me out, get bent. No way. Adios, muchacho. YOU move or pay ME for my inconvenience. Is there any part of that YOU don't understand?

And I am a good 30 pounds overweight but I am losing it. Make your mind up to not eat so damned much and maybe you won't have that double-wide ass anymore. Then you won't have to pay double.
303 posted on 06/19/2002 9:41:45 PM PDT by dcwusmc
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To: white trash redneck

"For an airline to charge people double based on the person's size is pure discrimination," Miss Berg said.

Considering that the seats are eighteen inches wide, what does Mrs. Berg call it when a large person takes up twenty-two inches of seating, thus encroaching two inches on either side and shorting two passengers each of two inches from an already narrow seat. Talk about inconsiderate.

"Do they discriminate the same way against basketball players who are 6 foot 5 inches and don't fit in their seats?"

No Miss Berg. Basketball players sit in first class because there isn't enough leg room in coach. Similar to why overly wide people should sit in first class.

"They think they can get away with it because they think discriminating against people on the basis of weight will be acceptable to most of the population," she said.

Any flyer that has had their seat shorted by two inches isn't discriminating. They have legitimate gripes with the airlines for not deliver as promised.

Picture this: in the coach section sits three 255+ pound people sitting side-by-side.

You know how absurd this could get; to the point of airlines creating special sections with say, fifteen seats that will accommodate large people. What happens next? The large people complain that they are being singled out and segregated based on their large size and demand that they be integrated among the other seats throughout the plane.

"Nobody likes me -- everybody hates me -- I think I'll go eat worms."

304 posted on 06/19/2002 9:49:47 PM PDT by Zon
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To: usconservative
Maybe SW air should skip this controversial interim solution and go directly to Body Mass Pricing. Adjustable seats could be installed that could be moved apart on tracks. A patron's airfare would be based on the volume of space his carcass displaced in the cabin. A uniform rate per cubic centimeter would have the effect of equal pricing per passenger. And the whiners would stop having their costs subsidized by others. And the thinner folks could reclaim their comfortable verticle airspace.
305 posted on 06/19/2002 10:16:29 PM PDT by Sgt_Schultze
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To: white trash redneck
Wow, the high horses are in short supply in this thread. A little common sense from folks, and a tad less hypocrisy, would go a long way. A few things:

  1. If SW wants to do this, I have no problem with it. I can fit in one seat so it doesn't bother me. It is understandable that those who use more should pay more

  2. "losing weight is the easiest thing to do for someone who's never had to do it" - well said, so some of you shove your sanctimonious, useless, and overall grossly ignorant advice up your arse...all the way up

  3. Yeah, subsidising others sucks, so lets make the smokers, drinkers, and SUV drivers pay their fair share. I hate paying more for my health and auto insurance, too

306 posted on 06/19/2002 11:54:35 PM PDT by Citizen of the Savage Nation
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To: Citizen of the Savage Nation
I agree, if you take more than one seat, paying more is not a big deal. But the plan is to charge a person extra even if they do not get an extra seat. That is pure hockey!

Some obesity is related to life choices, but others are directly related to medications and circumstances. Lucky me, diabetes is one of them. I have a choice, die on one end of the spectrum or die on another. How much fun, can you join me? Please? Maybe an amputation would be fun!


Ten year ago, I liked running half marathons. Am I the lazy ass so many talked about? I have given up so much choice in food you would never understand.

I gave up cigarettes twelve years ago. It was a very hard experience. For those that want to continue, give up food for two months. See if you live. Cigarettes are easy compared to food. Cigarettes are more addictive than cocaine.
You cannot go cold turkey on food.

If anyone with my situation wants to email me; do it by private post. I have many resources I can send you if you are interested. Especially diabetes resources.

Kirk
307 posted on 06/20/2002 12:54:57 AM PDT by Dark Knight
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To: Dark Knight; Citizen of the Savage Nation

But the plan is to charge a person extra even if they do not get an extra seat. That is pure hockey!

That's not how it works, as far as I know. The person gets two seats that he or she paid for -- except when the plane is full, which they never know until a few minutes before the plane leaves the gate, then the double-seaters get a refund for one of the seats.

When the plane is full the person sitting along side is subsidizing the obese person's fair for the "privilege" of being overly cramped. Come to think of it, the smaller person would probably be willing to pay the "per inch price" that space is worth to get it back for his own use and comfort rather than be overly uncomfortable for the duration of the flight. He may not think it's fair but his comfort is more valuable to him than the value of fairness. And he or she would probably consider the small dollar cost a small price to pay for comfort gained. From reading some of the rude comments I'd say that is the case -- comfort more important/valuable than money.

Am I the lazy ass so many talked about?

Obviously not. I shudder to think that you would take their comments personally when you know you're not. To do so would be irrational.

BTW, for what it's worth, in my #304 post I was talking to Miss. Berg in the manner I did because her comments IMO were ignorant.

308 posted on 06/20/2002 2:08:41 AM PDT by Zon
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To: All
Speaking as a "person of size", I don't have a problem with this policy. The bottom line is that SWA is a business and it has to make money. If a person is so large that they take up more than one seat, the airline cannot sell the extra seats to another passenger. If they don't charge the larger person for multiple seats, then they have lost money.

My question is, how are they really going to enforce this? From everything I've read so far, the rules on who has to pay for a 2nd seat and who doesn't are not really that clear cut.

Let's say you have 2 people travelling together. One is overweight but the other is thin. Even if the overweight one "spills over" to the thin person's seat, they still take up only 2 seats between them. The way I understand the rules, the larger person would still be charged for 2 seats because of his/her size. In this case, the airline would still be able to sell the 3rd seat to someone else but they've charged the overweight person for 2 seats anyway.

Also, last time I flew SWA, there were no assigned seats. You have to stand in the cattle call line to get a number and then it's first come first serve. If I've paid for 2 seats and the seats are not assigned, there is no guarantee I'm going to get my extra seat. My experience is that most flights are full due to overbooking or people getting moved to alternate flights when they miss one. How are they going to keep track of all the people who purchased 2 seats and now need refunds?

Sounds like a huge bookkeeping nightmare. :)
309 posted on 06/20/2002 5:44:25 AM PDT by Hap
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To: TexRef
You seem to be under a misapprehension of the facts. You're NOT paying for a seat. The ticket is a contract between you and the airline to take to from point A to point B with an agreed-upon level of service. . .
310 posted on 06/20/2002 6:11:39 AM PDT by Salgak
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To: F.J. Mitchell
Try a big dose of empathy and maybe you will feel better in the morning.

Empathy for people wanting a free ride? No thanks. That's what got this country in the mess it's in!

Somehow, I had to chuckle at the "big dose" comment though ... but that's just my warped sense of humor.

Keep 'em coming! The more you try, the more foolish your arguments look. When an opponent is reduced to emotional pleas, as you've been, I know I've won.

311 posted on 06/20/2002 6:42:04 AM PDT by usconservative
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To: Delbert
First of all, your wife should probably have a doctor's checkup if she hasn't had one since childbirth, just to determine her overall health but mostly to see if her blood sugar, thyroid, and hormone levels are normal.

If everything checks out, the biggest obstacle to her getting in shape is probably the depression she feels from being overweight. It's a self-defeating cycle, but a little success goes a long way. The hard part is getting started. Then she needs to be patient and understand that the weight won't come off as easily as it went on.

It's good that you're not on her case about losing weight. That's likely to make her depression worse. But you could probably subtly encourage her to improve her overall health, weight loss being part of that.

Approaching this as a team effort is good. Take steps to improve both your diets. Find activities that she'll enjoy. She apparently doesn't like the gym and isn't likely to stick with it long term. If that's the case, take up bike riding, rollerblading, walks in the park, swimming, etc. Anything that's active that she'll enjoy enough to do regularly. Then make it a permenant part of your fit life.

If she gets to a point where she wants to talk about losing weight (many women will not), encourage her to take a long term outlook. If she's looking at the scales everyday, she'll get discouraged. She should look at the scales once a week at the most and strive for continuous, though slow, improvement. She should aim to lose about 1 to 1.5 pounds a week. If she only loses one pound a week, that would be nearly 30 pounds by Christmas. That'll be over 50 pounds by this time next year. Keep reminding her that she can be 50 pounds lighter in just one year and you'll keep her encouraged and on track.

312 posted on 06/20/2002 6:56:10 AM PDT by tdadams
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To: Salgak
You're NOT paying for a seat.

LOL! I can see that argument with a flight attendant or sky marshall within 30
minutes of takeoff or landing at DCA.

Try it, and let me know how you fare.

313 posted on 06/20/2002 7:23:42 AM PDT by NautiNurse
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To: NautiNurse
Welcome to the dis-connect between the Law and Reality. . .
314 posted on 06/20/2002 7:31:52 AM PDT by Salgak
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To: ihatemyalarmclock
I just got back from a quick trip to Germany to see a long-lost friend. Atlanta to Stuttgart is 9 hours (make it 10 from the time you board till the time you leave the plane.) I'm no taller or heavier than average but the lack of leg-room in coach was really uncomfortable after the first five hours.

Try 13 - 18 hours on a Pacific rim flight in a Northwest airliner (Northwest tries to ensure that even small kinds of people like Koreans feel cramped).

It may really be time for the human race to disabuse itself of the idea that anybody needs to get from Detroit to Seoul in one day and go back to fast ships and/or zeppelins.

The Hindenberg was a hell of a thing and it turns out hydrogen had nothing to do with its final demise; it was the aluminum oxide outer paint. Zeppelins were vastly more efficient than jetliners. They flew with diesel motors, could land anywhere, and offered spacious accomodations to their customers. No paying customer in those days would tolerate what we get on airplanes for a second. Cruising at 80 mph without having to stop at lights, they'd get you to most places in a perfectly reasonable amount of time without the nervous-system damage caused by present air travel.

315 posted on 06/20/2002 7:51:34 AM PDT by medved
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To: usconservative
"The more you try, the more foolish your arguments look."

At last I have found myself a real genuine self proclaimed world class critic to bounce my arguments off of, before making a fool of myself before the whole world. I will continue to avail myself of your services as long as they remain free.

I don't have to win this argument though-charging big people for two seats is going to fly like a pig iron glider.

It will be fun watching blubberphobes plastered to their seats by the over flow of their fellow passengers excess flab. How does that grab your self described, "warped" sense of humor?

Hey Flight Attendant! another round of Wild Turkey, sheesh!, is that the biggest bottles ya' got?

316 posted on 06/20/2002 8:53:39 AM PDT by F.J. Mitchell
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To: F.J. Mitchell
It will be fun watching blubberphobes plastered to their seats by the over flow of their fellow passengers excess flab

Why do you think it is fun to commit assault on another human being?
Only a pervert would enjoy pressing their body against and on top of a stranger.
Only a pervert would enjoy watching someone commit assault.

317 posted on 06/20/2002 9:30:05 AM PDT by NautiNurse
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To: homeschool mama
Your med school alma mater must be quite proud of you...
318 posted on 06/20/2002 9:39:41 AM PDT by tracer
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To: tracer
HM said: While there *are* some medical issues that pack on pounds (medications, thyroid)...it's rare. People are overweight because of the hand to mouth action. Eat less and healthier, exercise more...

Tracer said: Your med school alma mater must be quite proud of you...

What's your point, Tracer? It's common knowledge that medical issues are a rarity when it comes to blaming weight gain. Check out any on-line medical journal or other publication, or programs such as *Weight Watchers*. Most overweight folks are overweight due to overeating. I'm not discounting that certain medical conditions and medications can increase weight difficulties.

319 posted on 06/20/2002 9:45:45 AM PDT by homeschool mama
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To: F.J. Mitchell
Your attitude is crude.
320 posted on 06/20/2002 9:46:39 AM PDT by homeschool mama
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