Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Lie Detector for Elizabeth's Uncle 'Inconclusive'
Newsmax ^ | 06.16.02 | PRNewswire

Posted on 06/16/2002 10:53:07 AM PDT by callisto

Edward Smart, the father of missing Salt Lake City teen Elizabeth Smart, submitted to a polygraph test and came out clean, a well-placed law-enforcement source tells Newsweek.

But polygraph results for other members of the prominent Mormon family -- including Elizabeth's uncle, Tom Smart -- were "inconclusive," Newsweek reports in the current issue.

In an interview with Newsweek, Tom Smart pledged full cooperation with investigators probing the disappearance of his 14-year-old niece who was snatched from her bed in the middle of the night June 5.

It's all right, "tear me apart," if you have to, as long as it will help solve the mystery, he tells Newsweek.

Officials say they have no plans to give a second polygraph to Tom Smart, whose wife, Heidi says "he was in bed with me all night" the evening Elizabeth disappeared, report Los Angeles Correspondent Andrew Murr and Chicago Correspondent Kevin Peraino in the June 24 issue of Newsweek (on newsstands Monday, June 17).

Police were increasingly scrutinizing the family last week. "We decided to take a hard look at the family," the law-enforcement source tells Newsweek.

Salt Lake City police have repeatedly said they have no suspects yet, and that looking at the Smart clan is just "one among many theories," according to Capt. Scott Atkinson, the lead police spokesman.

"The family has been very cooperative," Atkinson says.

Troubling questions remain about how a stranger could have broken into the Smarts' million-dollar home. Some investigators think the screen on the kitchen window where the kidnapper was alleged to have entered was cut from the inside, a sign that the break-in may have been staged. But law-enforcement sources close to the investigation tell Newsweek that they "have no evidence of that."

Nonetheless, investigators are puzzled by how someone could have squeezed through the window, which is tall but not very wide and opens with a crank. "We're not so confident about how he got in," a source tells Newsweek.

--PRNewswire



TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: elizabethsmart; lakecity; polygraph; tomsmart
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-60 next last
To: callisto
Re: the inconclusive lie detector test.

Seems like I read or heard recently that Polly Klass' father either flunked or was inconclusive on his test too.

21 posted on 06/16/2002 2:02:04 PM PDT by chaosagent
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Grammy
Exactly what I was thinking...she didnt want to marry the man the family had in mind..so they took her. that or the Milkman.
22 posted on 06/16/2002 2:13:44 PM PDT by pitinkie
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: all
It now seems to me that Elizabeth might have been getting some real publicity with this harp music. Might a perp have started following her around from one practice or performance to another?

We know she played it for her grandfather's funeral Mon. nite. We know she was scheduled to play it for a graduation and school group Tuesday night.

Might someone have started following her, attending each, making a little scrapbook of the programs, finally winding up perhaps by attending the candlelight vigil for her?

Odds and ends, bits and pieces, maybe snapping a photo covertly here and there...and then, like trapping the rarest butterfly of all for he collection, ...the girl herself.

23 posted on 06/16/2002 2:26:59 PM PDT by crystalk
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 21 | View Replies]

To: callisto
Those tests are worthless. False results are common, esp. inconclusive results are common in the early stages of these type of investigations....especially for someone who feels responsible for not preventing what happened.

It's only value is as an interrogation tool (and only then for someone who is tricked into thinking the results are meaningful.)

"baseline" questions that don't provoke the expected response skew the results. If you didn't steal that candy bar when you were three, you are going to get inconclusive results on the rest of the test.

24 posted on 06/16/2002 2:29:08 PM PDT by SarahW
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Grammy
Does it occur to anyone, (given the statements I heard to the effect of "someone who cares for her took her") that perhaps she has been bundled off to marry a polygamist?

That troubling thought occurred to me also. Polygamy is controlled by church elders, but is usually practiced only in remote outlying areas.

25 posted on 06/16/2002 2:41:35 PM PDT by mcsparkie
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: callisto
It's meanignless. Lie detectors are no more science then cranial measurements are. They are a useful tool for law enoforcement because people don't know that, so a large number of people, when told they are lying, readily confess.

What this probably means is that they suspect the uncle, and therefore told him that the machine says he is lying to put pressure on him. The reality is that they have no idea. Sure, the people who give the tests will tell you that they work, after all, their livelihoods depend on it.

However, everyone use your keen freeper logic here: A machine that relies on "interpretation" by the people whose livliehoods depend on it should be the first sign that they are bogus. It's like Ford telling you that your car really gets 60 miles per gallon, but that you need a professional to administer the gas and read the odometer to know that. It's all BS.

26 posted on 06/16/2002 2:49:11 PM PDT by Rodney King
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Bonaparte
To know he was in bed all night, she would have had to stay awake all night)))

Well, I wouldn't necessarily say that. Some are cursed with sleeping light.

27 posted on 06/16/2002 2:51:09 PM PDT by Mamzelle
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

To: hergus
IF the nine year old recognized the intruder...she is probably totally and completely scared. She knows she has to see him, maybe occasionally, maybe all the time.
28 posted on 06/16/2002 2:58:56 PM PDT by Republic
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: Rodney King
YES!!!! So-called "lie detectors" are complete and utter crap. The best "lie detector" is an experienced, skeptical cop with a piece of evidence that the perp doesn't know he has.

At the risk of being flamed yet again (and suffering another in a series of sermons from "crowfoot"), I think that this story, when it comes out, will bear little or no resemblance to the "stranger-through-the-window-with-a-gun" fairytale that was put out at the start.

29 posted on 06/16/2002 3:50:43 PM PDT by RANGERAIRBORNE
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 26 | View Replies]

To: RANGERAIRBORNE
I think that this story, when it comes out, will bear little or no resemblance to the "stranger-through-the-window-with-a-gun" fairytale that was put out at the start

I agree.

30 posted on 06/16/2002 4:14:05 PM PDT by Rodney King
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 29 | View Replies]

To: callisto
Troubling questions remain about how a stranger could have broken into the Smarts' million-dollar home.

One of the cable new stations, can't recall which, FN?, rereported a statement from the father that he made within a day of the abduction regarding the fact he had left the garage door open for several hours in the evening on the day of the abduction.

31 posted on 06/16/2002 4:30:14 PM PDT by TheDon
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: mcsparkie
Polygamy is controlled by church elders,

I'm confused, which church are you talking about?

32 posted on 06/16/2002 4:35:57 PM PDT by TheDon
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 25 | View Replies]

To: newwahoo
A good liar can pass a test and a nervous honest man can fail.

Not really. Assuming the questions are well designed, it is very diffuclt to pass if you're lying, but fairly easy to fail even if you're telling the truth. In short, false-negatives are very rare but false positives are quite common.

That the uncle's test results are inconclusive means nothing.

33 posted on 06/16/2002 4:36:15 PM PDT by Kevin Curry
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: callisto
I got flamed the other day for "daring" to post Tom Smart's bizarre statements on the Larry King show.
34 posted on 06/16/2002 4:38:49 PM PDT by PJ-Comix
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: RANGERAIRBORNE
The Smart family (if it were Smart) should have Mark Fuhrman sniffing around there. He seems to have a knack for this kind of investigation.
35 posted on 06/16/2002 4:40:58 PM PDT by PJ-Comix
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 29 | View Replies]

To: LurkedLongEnough
Or it says something about polygraph tests. Think about it. The most vicious criminals, serial killers, are more likely to pass a lie detector test than are average citizens ?

Polygraph is a poor measure of truthfulness--if you don't think it's a lie, or really don't think there's anything wrong with lying, why would you be nervous? Average joes believe the polygrapher has some magic power to read the truth, and they betray themselves.

36 posted on 06/16/2002 4:46:56 PM PDT by Pistias
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: My Favorite Headache
Anybody know if Uncle Tom has children? A son in the right age bracket perhaps? Uncle Tom seems more like he's nervous for someone else...trying to protect someone else.

Listening to some of the statements from the family is as if they know who took her and are trying to talk to the person to calm them down so Elizabeth doesn't get hurt.

Just speculating here...

37 posted on 06/16/2002 4:59:22 PM PDT by terilyn
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: Timesink
Don't you think though that if the abductor had been a member of the family that the younger sister would have known it? A 9-year old is unlikely to be sophisticated enough to make up a fake abductor, complete with description and clothing.
38 posted on 06/16/2002 5:01:49 PM PDT by sweetliberty
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: RANGERAIRBORNE
The best "lie detector" is an experienced, skeptical cop with a piece of evidence that the perp doesn't know he has.

Don't you think the SLC police seem to know much more than they are saying? I don't think they are like the keystone cops of DC as some have suggested. Especially since this latest revelation regarding the tan golf cap, I think they have a darn good idea who did it and are playing a good game of chess with the perp.

A lot of us have been flamed lately for daring to speak about this case.

39 posted on 06/16/2002 5:09:04 PM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 29 | View Replies]

To: callisto
And Polygraph is not admissable in court for what reason... Oh yeah, not always correct. It's not foolproof.
40 posted on 06/16/2002 5:10:03 PM PDT by FenianOfEire
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-60 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson