Jose Padilla as John Doe #2 theory gains as ties to Benevolence International are uncovered

CNN via whoisjohndoe2.com ^ | June 15, 2002 | John Berger

[spycatcher]

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BREAKING NEWS: Padilla Associate Nabbed By Feds In Florida, Had Ties To Benevolence International Foundation

If you've plodded through the Padiila-BIF-Terry Nichols stories (listed below) patiently, wading through the tedious speculation, wishing a real connection would emerge, well, your wait has ended! The feds have nabbed the missing link between the Benevolence International Foundation and Jose Padilla!

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[spycatcher]

The question I have is why people don't read the linked material but then still ask people to spell it out for them, and then after that don't seem to absorb what's re-posted anyhow. It's a waste of time to have a discussion when people disingenously set standards requiring smoking gun proof before even begrudgingly considering what is simply being called an interesting connection.

Besides, people are prosecuted and sent to prison all the time based on just an eyewitnesses testimony, or an inference from circumstantial evidence. In fact, very few convictions have definitive red-handed smoking gun proof. Usually it's only famous people who get that generous standard -- like OJ and Clinton. So VA Advogado you may want to read up on how the criminal justice system really works. And no I'm not going to post proof that it works the way it does. Do your own research.

As for this case, the book and information about what the FBI ignored are there for anyone to read if they are truly curious or skeptical and want to check into it the connections. But this is an old case where publicly known leads were dismissed for political reasons, left to grow cold, and evidence was withheld by the FBI. So don't expect a miracle finish.

Just as we can't ever prove Iraq is involved in terrorism enough to satisfy people who demand concrete proof, even when Israel produces hard documents about Arafat's involvement in terror, people still deny that. After all, people can always say witnesses are unreliable or that's "just a piece of paper." R Kelly and his defenders will even say that a video tape doesn't prove anything.

At least this guy is doing research rather being an intellectually lazy complainer. He doesn't have to prove anything to anyone. It's simply an ongoing research project posted for the curious. The fact is he correctly predicted that Padilla would be connected to Benevolence International if he really was a potential JD #2. That just happened. And he made this prediction after he saw the photo comparison and saw that Nichols was said to have met with a BI contact in the Phillipines.

[TexKat]

Lets hope Padilla was not in elementary school in 1995, he would have been 25 years old. If he was, lets hope he was in a teaching capacity. But then again, lets just hope he was not in elementary school.

[Geezerette]

Thanks!

Another poster above said he was born about 1970. I admit I haven't read a lot of detail about his background.

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[Vets_Husband_and_Wife]

Just a thought, I believe there was a John Doe #2 and always has been. But I also think it didn't need to stop us from going forward in prosecuting McVeigh, or Nichols. In fact, it may have even prevented them from being tried justly, and I'm glad McVeigh is GONE from this earth and not living in any capacity. He was never going to talk, and proved that by going to his death bed not talking.

My point is.. don't you think it is entirely possible that the FBI did know of John Doe #2, and in fact have been following Padilla? That they suspected him, but could not definitively tie him to Oklahoma City?

I mean, thanks to the Torecceli Amendment, and other things you probably know about (like some friends of ours know) Agents haven't always been ABLE to do what needed to be done. They couldn't always act in the best interest of our Nations security. Thier hands were tied by a HUGE beaurocracy. Which we feel this administration is very aware of and is trying to change.

I have a feeling this guy is connected to Oklahoma. Just a gut feeling.. he indeed resembles the sketches of John Doe #2!!

But I'm wondering if it may not even be wise, to not bring this to the forefront if you are the Government. I mean, McVeigh never revealed who was behind his actions, and we all know he and Nichols didn't just act on their own. (At least we never believed that.... and after getting private investigators neither did some of the Victims family members in Oklahoma who did investigations on their own!!).

So my question I'm laying out here for people to think about is.. "Is our Government going after bigger fish?" knowing what they do regarding the other perps involved in all this. Letting him gather intelligence for them while watching him. Just a thought.. and I'd like to see your take on it. Thanks.

[VA Advogado]

Excuse me if I've mistaken you for a nefarious conspiracy theorist who clearly has an ax to grind with the FBI and anyone else who laughs at your monumentally flimsy 'evidence'. Please pass my respects on to your tin foil hat maker. He's make you a purdy one.

[Dales]

What's the name of his blog? (Obvious followup question there)

[Pharmboy]

Not the way I remember it. They said he was dark and could be Hispanic.

[aruanan]

Note, though, that the recent photo of Padilla today is being compared to a drawing that's about a decade old. It wouldn't make that much difference if Padilla were 40 now, but he would have been in his early twenties at the time.

[aruanan]

How old was he at the time of OKC? Really adult age or in his early twenties as was Padilla?

[callisto]

Bookmarking.

[wingnuts'nbolts]

He would have been 25 or 26 and he was not in Jail in Fla at that time.

[jmc813]

ping

[spycatcher]

As a said before, people who don't even read what's posted will fail to absorb it. Most likely you're just being an ignorant disruptor, since I haven't even expressed what I believe, and since I haven't come to any conclusions myself about who JD2 is. So you are way off again. Maybe you can should send a your standard raving lunatic reply to the guy who's doing the investigating. Just to let you know before you do...if you actually read what he says, he hasn't come to any conclusion yet either.

And by the way, the *fact* that the FBI had OKC leads they failed to follow-up and then withheld that evidence is not my opinion. I have no ax to grind with them. It's just the truth. They've been plenty exposed as playing politics and being incompetent in the mainstream media lately anyhow.

[Honorary Serb]

The connection between the international islamic jihad and the OKC bombing is far from proven, in my estimation. But the persistent sleuths on FR have uncovered some interesting connections. KEEP ON SLEUTHING!!!!

It's "interesting" that muslim "civil rights" (i.e., subversion and disinformation) organizations like CAiR, muslim shills and dupes, clintonite Third-Wayers, and the just plain liberal "diversity" crowd, always bring up the OKC bombing as an instance in which many Americans first accused the muslims (supposedly out of "bigotry"), and "were wrong". They also use it as an argument against profiling of muslims, and in all sorts of other ways to suggest that our biggest threat is not the jihadists, but "domestic right-wing fanatics".

Wouldn't it be interesting if, in fact--the muslim jihadists did it!!!?

For all you REAL sleuths, please answer me this: what is the "Bosnian" muslim connection to that terrorist cell in the Phillipines? They did call their Manilla airplane explosion plot "Operation Bojinka", after all. Bojinka is a "Serbo-Croatian" slang word meaning "loud bang"--it MUST have had a "Bosnian" muslim source (or at least a connection with mujehidin who fought in Bosnia).

[Rodney King]

I don't get it. I've clicked all the links, but can't seem to find the tie between Benevolence International and John Doe #2.

[joyce11111]

yep, same guy!

[kitkat]

***Sorry but GWB was NOT the gov of Texas in 1993. It was a Dem named Ann Richards who permitted the Feds to use National Guard tanks in violation of Posse Comitatus by falsifying a drug connection that wasn't.***

It's worth saying again. Thanks.