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Islam in England and Europe: The Coming War of Religions
anxietycenter.com ^ | May 8, 2002 | Alan Caruba

Posted on 05/13/2002 3:51:13 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe

The assassination of Pim Fortuyn, a Dutch rightwing politician who was outspoken against the influx of Muslims into Holland and the rest of Europe, and an opponent of immigration, needs to be seen in the larger context of how the growing Muslim population is having an impact throughout Europe and Great Britain.

Americans tend to pay little attention to other nations unless they pose a threat to our national security. It is doubtful that the average American could tell you much about the politics of Great Britain or European nations. The recent French elections got everyone’s attention because an avowed anti-Semite gained 17% of the vote that led to a run-off and repudiation. His brief moment in the spotlight, however, sent a shiver down the spine of those who recalled or know of the politics of the 1930s that led to World War II.

The United States has officially declared its opposition to three nations designated an "axis of evil", Iraq, Iran and North Korea. Other nations are designated as terrorist states, but European nations remain identified as allies, despite their reluctance to support US foreign policy. Moreover, these nations have formed the European Union in order to acquire more power for their region of the world. Great Britain has flirted with the idea of joining the EU, but so far has resisted.

It may surprise you, therefore, to learn that Muslims are the second largest religious group in England after the Anglican majority. There are some two million Muslims in Great Britain. They are not indigenous to England, being largely newcomers from Pakistan, Bangladesh, and India. Others come from Africa, Asia, and even Europe. The Muslims of England are very diverse in many ways, except for their faith in Islam.

Increasingly, though, demands have grown for education of Muslim children to reflect their religion, for official recognition of the Islamic faith. Native-born Brits are less than thrilled with their growing numbers and demands. Still, a recent poll by Eastern Eye, an Asian newspaper published in the UK, revealed that 87% of the Muslims polled said they are loyal to Britain, even though 64% were opposed to the US-led military action against Afghanistan.

The vote in France for Le Pen, a candidate with extreme right-wing political views, was generated by a growing concern of ordinary, native-born Frenchmen and women regarding their Muslim population and other immigrants. Here again, the fact that some four million Muslims are the second largest religious group in France may come as a surprise; more than half of them are French citizens. They are largely the result of France’s colonial past, especially in the North African region.

Most of the Muslim community in France are from nations called the "Maghreb", Algeria, Morocco, and Tunisia. Others come from Turkey, Senegal, and Mali. Some are converts. Islam has a long history in France. Ironically, the spread of Islam into Europe was ended with their defeat at Poitiers, France, in 732. It would not be until 1683 when Muslims were defeated near Vienna, that further expansion efforts ended in Europe. Now Muslims merely immigrate to European nations.

France’s situation is particularly instructive. Immigration began in earnest in the 1950s, primarily from Maghreb nations. There are some five million Muslims in France. For decades, the religion was largely invisible and Muslims represented the lowest rungs of the economic and social ladder, but second and third generation French Muslims, in the 1990s, underwent a re-conversion of sorts, joining the ranks of radical Islam to seek an identity in a society from which they felt excluded.

This is interesting, too, because, twenty years ago, the demand for official recognition of Islam led to the Charter of Muslim Faith that defined how a French Muslim could remain faithful to both Islam and France. Today, native French citizens tend to regard Muslims as a danger to their society. The French government, however, has seen integration of Muslims into French society as a wiser path than some form of de facto isolation.

Following 9.11 and the US retaliation in Afghanistan, the French magazine for Muslims, La Medina, organized a public meeting to discuss its significance for Islam. In a converted warehouse just north of central Paris, in October, a large crowd of French Muslims, mostly from North Africa, gathered. One speaker was a 39-year-old Swiss professor, Tariq Ramadan, the grandson of a man who founded Egypt’s Islamic revival movement, the radical Muslim Brotherhood, in the 1930s. "Now more than ever, we need to criticize some of our brothers," he told the packed hall. "My dignity depends on saying ‘You are unjustified if you use the Koran to justify murder.’" No doubt his grandfather is doing cartwheels in his grave.

Reportedly, the overwhelming majority of Europe’s Muslims see their religion as a moderate one. There are 12.5 million Muslims throughout Europe and they are in the process of redefining Islam as people born and bred in Europe. This may be the beginning of a much-needed Reformation within Islam that occurred and redefined Christianity after the Dark Ages.

Having noted the Muslim defeat outside of Vienna, Austria in 1683, it would not be until 1878 before Muslims appeared in greater numbers as the result of the annexation of Bosnia-Herzegovina and other territories by the Austro-Hungarian Empire. Currently, Muslims are the third largest religion in Austria and growing. Their numbers doubled between 1981 and 1991. These Muslims are largely immigrants and are often political refugees. The bulk are formerly Turkish and citizens of the former Yugoslavia. The recent Balkan wars drove a lot of Muslims to choose Austria as a homeland. There are also distinct and visible Iranian and Arab minorities as well.

The relationship between Muslim minorities and the State of Austria has been formalized and regulated since 1912 by the Islam Act that officially recognized the religion. It led to the establishment of the Muslim Faith Union in 1979 and Austrians Muslims are taught their faith in public schools with teachers paid by the State. The rise of nationalistic political parties in Austria reflects a concern seen in France. Increasingly, a growing portion of native Austrians are suspicious and fearful of Muslims.

In Poland, chiefly Polish-Lithuanian Tartars, a group estimated between two and three thousand, have lived in that nation for some 600 years. Their small numbers versus the overwhelmingly Catholic Poles has left them largely ignored. Muslims, however, in the post-Soviet Caucasus are a different situation entirely. A growing fundamentalism has, for example, led the Chechyans to use terrorism and war on the Russians to seek a separate nation. The Russians have responded much as the US has in Afghanistan.

Several former Russian provinces, now independent, but allied republics, have large, if not dominant Muslim populations. These include Azerbaijan, Turkmenistan, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan, Kryghyezstan, and Kazakhstan. Add to this, Albania. The recent Balkan wars were largely religious movements by Muslims and, ironically, the US sided with them and against the Serbians. So did the rest of Europe.

So, now, when you say Europe, it’s wise to keep in mind that the nations that compose it are increasingly home to a growing population of Muslims. Wherever a population of Muslims gains in numbers, they begin to demand autonomy or a change in the governmental structure to reflect Islamic law. This is going to lead to a long religious war, an Islamic Jihad. Not all Muslims will support it, but few can be expected to speak out against it.


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Germany; Russia; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: antisemitism; clashofcivilizatio; diversity; europeanunion; fortuyn; immigration; islam; jihad; lepen; sharia
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To: Muslims_Wolf
what about kill the Vitnamen?? what about kill the Japaness what about kill the plastanin

Wolfie boy, Arf, arf, we didn't kill the vitamin industry! It's thriving, doncha know? Plastics? We invented plastic, the future is in plastics, doggie, see the Graduate movie for evidence - maybe it's reached your desert camel drive-in theaters by now! As for the Japan mess, you're absolutely right, it shouldn't of 'appened!

121 posted on 11/17/2002 8:18:37 PM PST by Revolting cat!
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To: Tailgunner Joe

122 posted on 11/17/2002 8:22:25 PM PST by Consort
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To: glorgau
This may be the beginning of a much-needed Reformation within Islam that occurred and redefined Christianity after the Dark Ages.

Note, said Reformation in Europe led directly to the Hundred Years War. Something tells me Islam is not going to be reformed any easier....
123 posted on 11/17/2002 8:29:20 PM PST by Kozak
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To: blackbag
My ancestors knew how to deal with the Mohammedans...

The Kozaks of the Dnieper to the Sultan of Turkey: Thou Turkish Satan, brother and companion to the accursed Devil, and companion to Lucifer himself, Greetings! What the hell kind of noble knight art thou? The Devil voids, and thy army devours. Never wilt thou be fit to have the sons of Christ under thee: thy army we fear not, and by land and on sea we will do battle against thee. Thou scullion of Babylon, thou wheelwright of Macedonia, thou beer-brewer of Jerusalem, thou goat-flayer of Alexandria, thou swineherd of Egypt, both the Greater and the Lesser, thou sow of Armenia, thou goat of Tartary, thou hangman of Kamenetz, thou evildoer of Podoliansk, thou grandson of the Devil himself, thou great silly oaf of all the world and of the netherworld and, before our God, a blockhead, a swine's snout, a mare's ass, a butcher's cur, an unbaptized brow, May the Devil take thee! That is what the Kozaks have to say to thee, thou basest-born of runts! Unfit art thou to lord it over true Christians! The date we write not for no calendar have we got; the moon is in the sky, the year is in a book, and the day is the same with us here as with thee over there, and thou canst kiss us thou knowest where!
124 posted on 11/17/2002 8:39:15 PM PST by Kozak
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To: Revolting cat!
Dang- Post 117 was directed at me and I never got to read it...

Looks like the guy martyred himself.

125 posted on 11/17/2002 8:58:16 PM PST by Prodigal Son
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To: calljack
Hate............taught to their own children and always present
Murder........encouraged by "holy book"
Slavery.......still practiced.
Rape...........a stated entitlement
Deception...a means to accomplish an end.
Children.......minds poisoned, and used as bombs.
Women........a property

THIS IS ISLAM.
It is NOT a religion of Peace, Love or Tolerance.
It is a murderous hate filled cult.

Semper Fi
126 posted on 11/17/2002 9:19:10 PM PST by river rat
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To: river rat
A hard hard rains a gonna fall
127 posted on 11/17/2002 9:24:31 PM PST by Travis McGee
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To: Muslims_Wolf
Werewolf?

Ah. THERE wolf...

Nothing personal, of course.

Y'know... you guys came really close. If you'd just continued for another ten or fifteen years with the quiet infiltration, all ignored as "harmless" multiculturalism, you would've had it in the bag.

Now you've slipped and revealed your true nature. Islam is increasingly seen as a rabid animal, menacing the children and womenfolk. Everyone knows how to deal with a sick, dangerous animal, no matter how unpleasant. It's a pity, but that is the way it shall be.

128 posted on 11/17/2002 9:57:02 PM PST by Cloud William
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To: riri
German immigrants from Russia settled in our area, and the native Germans resented them because of their high birthrate. Unlike the native Germans they take advantage of policies, such as the paying of Kindergeld, aimed to encouraging the growth of families.
129 posted on 11/17/2002 10:15:37 PM PST by RobbyS
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To: AD from SpringBay
Isn't europe about as agnostic as it gets? I'm sure central europe looks like ripe, low-hanging fruit to anyone with a spark of faith about anything.

You got it.

131 posted on 11/18/2002 4:16:51 AM PST by Aquinasfan
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To: Siobhan
Too bad they deleted Muslim_Wolf's posts. Some people here need to see this stuff.
132 posted on 11/18/2002 4:27:17 AM PST by Aquinasfan
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To: Teacher317
Kneel on the ground and pray to the Lord
But will he hear your prayers
Will hear your call,
As you sit in the church
And the madman speaks...
Listen with awe at the lies he'll preach.
Only the mindless.. will listen and obey
Worldwide wars... are caused by this uproar...
Pray.. to... rest... your conscience - for the sins you have done...
Brutal wounds cut deep
No miracles to heal
Watch your life now fade
He's not there to help you die...
Raised upon repulsive lies
From the time you were born


133 posted on 11/18/2002 6:27:25 AM PST by Christendom
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To: GirlShortstop
The Supreme Force Of God
To Destroy The Altar
And Slaughter The Christian's Born
Churchs Will Be Destroy
Crosses Will Be Breackn
He's Laughing In Blasphemy
Like A Domain Of Death
The War Is Started
From Deep Of Hell
Leaving Words Of Hate
The Terror Is Declared
The Final Fight Started
All the fool Christian crying in pain
There liar priest running
There damn unholy shit bible burn
The lie of Christianity will fade
134 posted on 11/18/2002 6:33:42 AM PST by Christendom
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To: Kozak
did u know that many deal with your mother? and she have problem now that she don't know who's your father?? you all leave my way and become sinners i'll burn all of you for all what u did in earth
135 posted on 11/18/2002 6:37:17 AM PST by Christendom
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To: Cloud William
DEATH DEATH DEATH this my promise to you after i burn the cross
136 posted on 11/18/2002 6:40:44 AM PST by Christendom
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To: Christendom
Who's your daddy?

ZOT!!!

137 posted on 11/18/2002 6:45:05 AM PST by Admin Moderator
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To: Admin Moderator
ROFLMAO - That was good.
138 posted on 11/18/2002 6:49:37 AM PST by Chancellor Palpatine
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To: Admin Moderator
Thank you for not deleting Muslim_Wolfs reincarnations posts.

People need to see this is truly a religious war.

God Yahweh and Jesus Christs people will survive forever.

If not on earth, in the heavenly kingdom.

These filthy vermin will rot in hell with their leader Mohammad.
139 posted on 11/18/2002 7:23:24 AM PST by katnip
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To: katnip; Admin Moderator
Thank you for not deleting Muslim_Wolfs reincarnations posts.

Ditto. You've given it more than enough rope to hang itself.

140 posted on 11/18/2002 7:58:50 AM PST by Aquinasfan
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