Posted on 04/27/2002 6:26:39 PM PDT by l33t
As a UN fact-finding mission prepares to investigate allegations of a massacre in Jenin, most aid workers in the city say that they have come to one major conclusion - though massive destruction took place in the refugee camp, there was clearly no massacre.
Aid workers and local doctors have found 52 corpses so far. The workers believe that 21 of them were civilians, including four women, two 14 year old boys, two invalids, and two or three elderly men.
"The majority of those killed," said Peter Bouckaert, a senior researcher at US-based Human Rights Watch posted to Jenin, "were killed by snipers. Only one man, that we know of, was crushed in his home by a bulldozer." Bouckaert, whose group has worked closely with medical teams at Jenin Hospital, believes that very few corpses remain buried beneath the tons of rubble. The area of the worst destruction has come to be known among foreign rescue workers, Palestinians, and IDF soldiers alike, as "Ground Zero." Bouckaert was almost certain, he told The Jerusalem Post, that the death toll will not rise beyond 80.
"There is simply no evidence of a massacre. But we are worried that Israel will use this fact to whitewash the enormous amount of damage done to the civilian sector." There is still no electricity in the camp, burst water pipes have flooded low lying areas, and the camp's two schools remain closed.
Posters of "martyrs" and Hamas and Islamic Jihad flags are again in evidence on the few structures left standing at "Ground Zero." Aid groups, including UNWRA, B'Tselem, LAW, Amnesty International, and Human Rights Watch are still tallying lists of dead, injured, and displaced, as well as the number of houses destroyed, rendered unlivable, or simply damaged.
Nearly every building in the refugee camp, and many in Jenin city itself, were damaged in the fierce two-week battle waged in the town. The IDF estimates that about 10 percent of the structures in the camp were destroyed, while Jenin Governor Zuneir Munasra said about 40% of the camp's buildings were destroyed and another 20% rendered unlivable.
The Jenin Governorate and other Palestinian Authority bodies have halted the removal of debris ahead of today's arrival of the UN commission headed by headed by former Finnish president Martti Ahtisaari, despite the desire of UNWRA and other aid organizations to restore the camp to normal
Also hindering search and rescue work, says UNWRA Deputy Director Charles Capes, is the large number of unexploded ordinance lying about the camp. Last week British and Norwegian sappers remove some of the booby traps, but they returned home leaving most of the job undone. A French Civil Guard rescue team began Friday to mark and isolate buildings or areas believed to be unsafe.
Capes said Palestinian gunmen planted many of the booby traps while other ordinance had been left behind by IDF. Since April 19 one person has been killed and at least 12 were wounded by unexploded ordinance in the camp.
Capes said that as many as 3,500 people have been left without shelter. Munasra told the Post that many of them refuse to use the some 800 tents and other equipment sent by US Agency for International Development because they believe the US was "complicit in the attack on their camp.
Not to mention the worst of all: cut off their high-speed Internet access!
I assembled this thing from old parts starting in January, and it's fought all of the way.
I began with an IBM 'opal' motherboard- 66 mHtz CPU, and 4 mb of RAM.... upgraded to 16, the max the board can hold without SIMM stackers.
The floppies were salvaged from a 386 used as a doorstop, the hard drive is a 210 mb Conner from a junk IBM, the modem's a USR 33.6k sportster. OS's have been DOS 6.22, Win 3.1, and finally Win 95, upgraded to 95a over the web.
And the keyboard sticks, the track ball is gritty, and the dang thing is slow.... but it works more or less like the other one.
and that's why there may be weird typos- it's hard to go back & correct easily!
Massacre indicates murder.
As in why the IDF was forced into conducting the Jenin plowthrough.
As in Arafat's MO
I would support them doing it while Mary Robinson is inside one inspecting it. The woman is a menace, she is so filled with white guilt.
No high speed Internet access??? **SHUDDER** ...Now THAT'S cruel and INHUMANE!! (I hope they remember to take the BATTERIES out of the laptops)
These people left because the Arab leaders told them to get out of the way of the Arab armies, who would crush the Jews and then claim all of the land. Those people would then move back to their homes.
Of course, that never happened. So these people were left without a state.
But did the surrounding Arab states take them in? No. There are "refugee camps" in Lebanon, Jordan, and Syria, much like the one in Jenin, and probably many are in worse shape. These people are not citizens of those countries. They don't want them.
Why? Because it keeps the refugees angry, and allows the Arabs another reason to complain about Israel, thereby keeping their domestic populations busy.
There was a good interview on FNC Special Report a couple days ago. Brit Hume interviewed Mark Ginsburg, who was in the State Dept. during Clinton's term. He explained all of this very clearly. They also talked about the Saudis and other rich Arab states doing next to nothing for these people.
In fact, a plurality of the money that supports these people comes from........the United States. The US funds about 30% of the budget for the UN refugee agency that is essentially the government for these people (before the Pali Authority, which really isn't much of a government anyway.) The Euros contribute almost 30%, and the Arabs maybe contribute a couple percent at best.
I wish everyone could have seen it. It might open some eyes in this country.
I have two homebuilt computers. I have a motherboard/128mb memory/300mhz celeron if you are ever interested. You would need a case w/atx power supply/ a $15 modem from eBay/a video card/ and hard drive. I might have a 4gig hard drive around.
That bunch of low-life shithouse rats don't work, too!
Do the people that are killed have bombs strapped to them? Are they laying booby traps and command detonated mines to kill people who are looking for murderers? Do they have machine guns and shoot at soldiers from positions of advanced camouflage prepared long in advance of the expected "round up"?
On the Israeli side...Did they warn people with bullhorns they were going to knock down buildings, thereby announcing where the snipers should aim their machine guns to kill the Israelis? Did the Israeli's assist people trying to evacuate from the combat zone(answer yes!)? Massacres occur when NONcombatant people are shot either enmass, or indiscriminately. The Jewish people know more about massacres than nearly any identifiable group(not that all peoples haven't suffered attrocity!) because they have been subjected to them throughout history. And finally, the reason that there was no massacre in Jenin, is that there were eye witnesses that got out and whined to the handwringing world press...If the Israeli Army, one of the best trained military machines in the world wanted to committ a massacre, every single accursed one of the Pali's in that breeding ground of killers would never have woken up on the day of the first shots because the whole rats nest would have been pulverized from the air and 23(?) courageous Israeli soldiers would be alive, today. Massacres incur no casualties.
- though massive destruction took place in the refugee camp, there was clearly no massacre.
Thanks for the info, Dennis.
"There is simply no evidence of a massacre. But we are worried that Israel will use this fact to whitewash the enormous amount of damage done to the civilian sector."
Not surprisingly, facts and logic are very inconvinient for this radical lib brigade when they need to further their political agenda.
I wonder, would they undertake to estimate what is the percentage of teenagers, elderly people and civilians in general among the Israeli victims of the Palestinian terror?
And doesn't it merit a UN investigation of possible war crimes commited by their ideological brethern the Arabs?
| NY POST: THE MASSACRE THAT WASN'T http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/667529/posts Peres: There wasn't a house that wasn't booby-trapped |
Steyn: It's time to snap out of Arab fantasy land http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/669063/posts Some great Oriana Fallaci quotes/links as well |
| WSJ: The Massacre That Wasn't - Part I http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/668601/posts Non-evidence and Pali fabrication of evidence |
Steyn: The UN is running out of blind eyes to turn http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/669411/posts Interesting link on UN backpedaling |
| WSJ: The Massacre That Wasn't - Part II http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/669632/posts Palestinians drop their hyped-up "massacre" charges |
Atrocities of the British Press http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/669206/posts Huge amounts of ink devoted to unverified Pali tales |
| WSJ: The Massacre That Wasn't - Part III http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/672189/posts Hey, Jimmy Carter has an opinion too!! |
Reporters Back Down From Jenin "Massacre" Reports http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/668509/posts World press forced to face the truth: No Massacre |
| WSJ: The Massacre That Wasn't - Part IV http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/672160/posts Yet more non-evidence and Pali fabrication of evidence |
The Phantom Massacre http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/672761/posts War Crimes committed in Jenin were by the Palestinians |
| WSJ: The Massacre That Wasn't - Part V http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/673145/posts The Pali's contradict themselves and blame it on Israel |
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| Message From An Israeli On The Front Lines http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/673234/posts "Entire families exploded themselves! It was horrific." |
Palestinian Fighter admits - NO MASSACRE IN JENIN http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/671903/posts Up to 2,000 bombs and booby traps placed in the camp |
| Pediatrician notes terrorists' use of children in Jenin camp http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/670962/posts Doctor: IDF did everything possible to prevent civilian harm |
Palestinians Used Booby-Trapped Wheelchair in Jenin http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/670810/posts NOTE: The wheelchair was occupied!! |
| Jenin War Diary of a Hasidic Soldier http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/672951/posts Israeli citizen-soldier describes what went on in Jenin |
Palestinian fighter's version of the Jenin battle http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/672896/posts Pali Plan: Trap Israeli soldiers, then blow them up |
I used to be something of a Power User in DOS ( you had to be to get it to do much of anything besides c:.... )and trying to recall arcane stuff like diskcopy a: a: was, ahem! a bit of a challenge. I can recall the thrill of upgrading my old Trash 80 from 384K of RAM to the full 640K... the expense, the long wait to get chips.... and now people throw away old memory that we would have killed for back then... I found a pile of 72 pin SIMM's being used for key fobs at my wife's office. They weren't of any use in my machines, but that shows how common more memory has become.
2-hour commute, huh? Seems like I used to allow 1 hour to get anywhere... always had a rule of thumb-- "in any city, allow at least 15 minutes to do anything, including driving around the block...."
It's called "battle".
I miss Dos!!! I can't remember all the little icons and tricks in Bill Gates Abortion of an Operating system...A book I highly recommend is Windows Secrets...they're out for all releases...Its NOT a Microsoft authorized textbook...comes with amazing software extra's and is funny to read as well...Looking up Bill G's kilt so to speak...I must sign off now from bad visual buildup...Pls email Foxnews to put Star Parker on Sean Hannity...I actually taught her to conjugate the Verb "to FREEP" Saturday morning...She's in talks with Fox TODAY!!!
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