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Human Rights Watch: No evidence of massacre in Jenin
Jerusalem Post ^ | 4/28/2002 | Jerusalem Post

Posted on 04/27/2002 6:26:39 PM PDT by l33t

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To: Plummz
LOL
21 posted on 04/28/2002 7:56:38 AM PDT by tomkat
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To: cake_crumb
Next they'll be whining that the IDF knocked out the AIR CONDITIONING and SEWERS, TV and CELL PHONE TOWERS!!

Not to mention the worst of all: cut off their high-speed Internet access!

22 posted on 04/28/2002 8:00:32 AM PDT by Alouette
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To: dennisw
Those who informed find no surprise in this.... BTW- FYI, I'm holding forth from my "contingency PC"- which I use when my wife's on the "better" 486 in the kitchen.

I assembled this thing from old parts starting in January, and it's fought all of the way.
I began with an IBM 'opal' motherboard- 66 mHtz CPU, and 4 mb of RAM.... upgraded to 16, the max the board can hold without SIMM stackers.

The floppies were salvaged from a 386 used as a doorstop, the hard drive is a 210 mb Conner from a junk IBM, the modem's a USR 33.6k sportster. OS's have been DOS 6.22, Win 3.1, and finally Win 95, upgraded to 95a over the web.

And the keyboard sticks, the track ball is gritty, and the dang thing is slow.... but it works more or less like the other one.
and that's why there may be weird typos- it's hard to go back & correct easily!

23 posted on 04/28/2002 8:02:20 AM PDT by backhoe
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To: StACase
OK, I don't get it. What about 52 and counting isn't a massacre?

Massacre indicates murder.
As in why the IDF was forced into conducting the Jenin plowthrough.
As in Arafat's MO

24 posted on 04/28/2002 8:08:51 AM PDT by Taiwan Bocks
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To: rabidralph
A buddy of mine, who lives in Israel, says that the IDF deliberately bulldozes the terrorists' homes because they know that they get money from outside sources, so they want the families of the dead to spend their windfall on rebuilding their homes rather than feeling like they won the lottery. I'm all for it.

I would support them doing it while Mary Robinson is inside one inspecting it. The woman is a menace, she is so filled with white guilt.

25 posted on 04/28/2002 8:14:36 AM PDT by Hacksaw
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To: Alouette
"Not to mention the worst of all: cut off their high-speed Internet access!"

No high speed Internet access??? **SHUDDER** ...Now THAT'S cruel and INHUMANE!! (I hope they remember to take the BATTERIES out of the laptops)

26 posted on 04/28/2002 8:14:44 AM PDT by cake_crumb
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Jenin is in part a "refugee camp" because some of the people living there are "refugees" - stateless people. It started when many Arabs living in Palestine left what is now Israel during the first Arab-Israeli war, the war for Israeli independence.

These people left because the Arab leaders told them to get out of the way of the Arab armies, who would crush the Jews and then claim all of the land. Those people would then move back to their homes.

Of course, that never happened. So these people were left without a state.

But did the surrounding Arab states take them in? No. There are "refugee camps" in Lebanon, Jordan, and Syria, much like the one in Jenin, and probably many are in worse shape. These people are not citizens of those countries. They don't want them.

Why? Because it keeps the refugees angry, and allows the Arabs another reason to complain about Israel, thereby keeping their domestic populations busy.

There was a good interview on FNC Special Report a couple days ago. Brit Hume interviewed Mark Ginsburg, who was in the State Dept. during Clinton's term. He explained all of this very clearly. They also talked about the Saudis and other rich Arab states doing next to nothing for these people.

In fact, a plurality of the money that supports these people comes from........the United States. The US funds about 30% of the budget for the UN refugee agency that is essentially the government for these people (before the Pali Authority, which really isn't much of a government anyway.) The Euros contribute almost 30%, and the Arabs maybe contribute a couple percent at best.

I wish everyone could have seen it. It might open some eyes in this country.

27 posted on 04/28/2002 8:37:44 AM PDT by michaelt
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To: backhoe
That's real homebuilt. Computers is like auto repair. Only difference is software to make the parts work together.

I have two homebuilt computers. I have a motherboard/128mb memory/300mhz celeron if you are ever interested. You would need a case w/atx power supply/ a $15 modem from eBay/a video card/ and hard drive. I might have a 4gig hard drive around.

28 posted on 04/28/2002 8:39:30 AM PDT by dennisw
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To: cake_crumb; l33t
If there are no working toilets down there, the EUrinal fact obfuscating mission should feel pretty much at home.

That bunch of low-life shithouse rats don't work, too!

29 posted on 04/28/2002 11:28:53 AM PDT by Brian Allen
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To: StACase
.there was clearly no massacre. Aid workers and local doctors have found 52 corpses so far.... OK, I don't get it. What about 52 and counting isn't a massacre?

Do the people that are killed have bombs strapped to them? Are they laying booby traps and command detonated mines to kill people who are looking for murderers? Do they have machine guns and shoot at soldiers from positions of advanced camouflage prepared long in advance of the expected "round up"?

On the Israeli side...Did they warn people with bullhorns they were going to knock down buildings, thereby announcing where the snipers should aim their machine guns to kill the Israelis? Did the Israeli's assist people trying to evacuate from the combat zone(answer yes!)? Massacres occur when NONcombatant people are shot either enmass, or indiscriminately. The Jewish people know more about massacres than nearly any identifiable group(not that all peoples haven't suffered attrocity!) because they have been subjected to them throughout history. And finally, the reason that there was no massacre in Jenin, is that there were eye witnesses that got out and whined to the handwringing world press...If the Israeli Army, one of the best trained military machines in the world wanted to committ a massacre, every single accursed one of the Pali's in that breeding ground of killers would never have woken up on the day of the first shots because the whole rats nest would have been pulverized from the air and 23(?) courageous Israeli soldiers would be alive, today. Massacres incur no casualties.

30 posted on 04/28/2002 11:36:51 AM PDT by sleavelessinseattle
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To: backhoe
Art is Pain, Backhoe!...We expect even better prose from you now that we know the inspirational bohemian ambiance you are working in...If you get stuck...Try sitting in your refridgerator for a couple a days to contract pneumonia. Worked for Van Gogt! You'd be in great company;-) Best Regards, SS
31 posted on 04/28/2002 11:44:07 AM PDT by sleavelessinseattle
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To: StACase
Armed guerillas killed in combat do not make a masacre, no matter how many are killed.
32 posted on 04/28/2002 12:44:24 PM PDT by carcajou
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To: sleavelessinseattle
Well, I'm not sure if what I do is Art, but it sure is a pain on that old PC!
33 posted on 04/28/2002 1:00:49 PM PDT by backhoe
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To: dennisw
- though massive destruction took place in the refugee camp, there was clearly no massacre.

Thanks for the info, Dennis.

34 posted on 04/28/2002 4:18:14 PM PDT by Victoria Delsoul
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To: l33t
Aid workers and local doctors have found 52 corpses so far. The workers believe that 21 of them were civilians, including four women, two 14 year old boys, two invalids, and two or three elderly men.

"There is simply no evidence of a massacre. But we are worried that Israel will use this fact to whitewash the enormous amount of damage done to the civilian sector."

Not surprisingly, facts and logic are very inconvinient for this radical lib brigade when they need to further their political agenda.

I wonder, would they undertake to estimate what is the percentage of teenagers, elderly people and civilians in general among the Israeli victims of the Palestinian terror?

And doesn't it merit a UN investigation of possible war crimes commited by their ideological brethern the Arabs?

35 posted on 04/28/2002 6:52:07 PM PDT by Neophyte
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To: backhoe
I hear you...Remember Bill gates said he could never imagine a need for more than 16meg of RAM...Then he went out and wrote a pig of an operating system to prove himself dead wrong...Find a door that needs propping open or a boat that needs securing, and git yourself a nice AMD Pentathlon with about 200meg of RAM...It might save your marriage! And cure you of road rage...I find that a bad day on a computer gets compounded in Seattle's 2 hour commutes. Best Regards,SS
36 posted on 04/28/2002 9:09:51 PM PDT by sleavelessinseattle
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To: dennisw
For a dose of truth:
NY POST: THE MASSACRE THAT WASN'T
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/667529/posts
Peres: There wasn't a house that wasn't booby-trapped
Steyn: It's time to snap out of Arab fantasy land
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/669063/posts
Some great Oriana Fallaci quotes/links as well
WSJ: The Massacre That Wasn't - Part I
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/668601/posts
Non-evidence and Pali fabrication of evidence
Steyn: The UN is running out of blind eyes to turn
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/669411/posts
Interesting link on UN backpedaling
WSJ: The Massacre That Wasn't - Part II
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/669632/posts
Palestinians drop their hyped-up "massacre" charges
Atrocities of the British Press
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/669206/posts
Huge amounts of ink devoted to unverified Pali tales
WSJ: The Massacre That Wasn't - Part III
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/672189/posts
Hey, Jimmy Carter has an opinion too!!
Reporters Back Down From Jenin "Massacre" Reports
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/668509/posts
World press forced to face the truth: No Massacre
WSJ: The Massacre That Wasn't - Part IV
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/672160/posts
Yet more non-evidence and Pali fabrication of evidence
The Phantom Massacre
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/672761/posts
War Crimes committed in Jenin were by the Palestinians
WSJ: The Massacre That Wasn't - Part V
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/673145/posts
The Pali's contradict themselves and blame it on Israel



An interesting juxtaposition of tales.
Message From An Israeli On The Front Lines
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/673234/posts
"Entire families exploded themselves! It was horrific."
Palestinian Fighter admits - NO MASSACRE IN JENIN
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/671903/posts
Up to 2,000 bombs and booby traps placed in the camp
Pediatrician notes terrorists' use of children in Jenin camp
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/670962/posts
Doctor: IDF did everything possible to prevent civilian harm
Palestinians Used Booby-Trapped Wheelchair in Jenin
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/670810/posts
NOTE: The wheelchair was occupied!!
Jenin War Diary of a Hasidic Soldier
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/672951/posts
Israeli citizen-soldier describes what went on in Jenin
Palestinian fighter's version of the Jenin battle
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/672896/posts
Pali Plan: Trap Israeli soldiers, then blow them up

37 posted on 04/28/2002 11:28:31 PM PDT by My Identity
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To: sleavelessinseattle
The advance of hardware and software over the years has been interesting, to say the least... while trying to "bring up" the older 486 to a level close enough to the newer machine ( so I didn't have to keep switching between different OS's and browsers ) it briefly ran DOS 6.22 and then Win 3.1-- geez, what a pain they were!

I used to be something of a Power User in DOS ( you had to be to get it to do much of anything besides c:.... )and trying to recall arcane stuff like diskcopy a: a: was, ahem! a bit of a challenge. I can recall the thrill of upgrading my old Trash 80 from 384K of RAM to the full 640K... the expense, the long wait to get chips.... and now people throw away old memory that we would have killed for back then... I found a pile of 72 pin SIMM's being used for key fobs at my wife's office. They weren't of any use in my machines, but that shows how common more memory has become.

2-hour commute, huh? Seems like I used to allow 1 hour to get anywhere... always had a rule of thumb-- "in any city, allow at least 15 minutes to do anything, including driving around the block...."

38 posted on 04/29/2002 2:02:52 AM PDT by backhoe
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To: StACase
"OK, I don't get it. What about 52 and counting isn't a massacre?"

It's called "battle".

39 posted on 04/29/2002 2:14:56 AM PDT by RightOnline
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To: backhoe
My technique is to invest half the dollar value of my vehicle in the combined value of stereo system, Insurance for same, a TOUGH car alarm, and many CD's...I just crank the tunes till I can't hear the sirens or see anything in the rear view mirror because its vibrating in time to the music, and rolll along at 1mph. I'm real good at coasting to a stop without using the brakes...Could have been a Curling Champ!

I miss Dos!!! I can't remember all the little icons and tricks in Bill Gates Abortion of an Operating system...A book I highly recommend is Windows Secrets...they're out for all releases...Its NOT a Microsoft authorized textbook...comes with amazing software extra's and is funny to read as well...Looking up Bill G's kilt so to speak...I must sign off now from bad visual buildup...Pls email Foxnews to put Star Parker on Sean Hannity...I actually taught her to conjugate the Verb "to FREEP" Saturday morning...She's in talks with Fox TODAY!!!

Click here for Foxnews

40 posted on 04/29/2002 2:19:03 AM PDT by sleavelessinseattle
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