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TECHNICAL REPORT 1862, February 2002

Thermal and Nuclear Aspects of the Pd/D2O System (In two volumes)

These reports are available at: Vol.I, 3.5 Meg ~121 pages pdf file

Vol. II, 178 pgs, 43 Megabytes

More info on recent cold fusion info

1 posted on 04/13/2002 4:02:13 PM PDT by Diogenesis
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To: *RealScience;physicist
index bump and fyi
2 posted on 04/13/2002 4:04:43 PM PDT by Fish out of Water
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To: 11B3; <1/1,000,000th%; 2Jedismom; 68-69TonkinGulfYatchClub; afraidfortherepublic...
This is very important to US security.

If you know Pres. Bush, ask him to have the Patent Office stop interfering with cold fusion.

The US can be helped by American creativity and Yankee ingenuity.

.......... K

3 posted on 04/13/2002 4:05:42 PM PDT by Diogenesis
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To: Diogenesis
About time - they haven't done jack since the Philly Experiment.
4 posted on 04/13/2002 4:07:36 PM PDT by Senator Pardek
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...and, in addition, it is high time the US got off its duff and finally produced some decent anti-gravity boots, because as I write this conclusion, my dogs are aching from hauling groceries up the stairs. The political obstructionism that blocks these advances must be stopped!
5 posted on 04/13/2002 4:14:37 PM PDT by KellyAdmirer
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Rund me. I'll get it for you.
6 posted on 04/13/2002 4:15:53 PM PDT by RLK
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Fleischman and Pons have recieved much ridicule in the
past 12 years from their conclusions regarding their
"cold fusion" experiments. Whether the ridicule is
warranted or not, I doubt that Fleischman and Pons wasted
nearly as much US Taxpayer $$ as those working on "hot
fusion" projects, such as at Princeton. These scientists,
many of whom trot around the globe going from conference
to conference, paid for by the NSF and the Department of
Energy, have been promising fusion power for the last 40
years, but instead have delivered nothing. Ironically,
many of these scientists are the biggest critics of Fleisch-
man and Pons. I really hope some day, someone proves
Pons and Fleischman right. I really do.
11 posted on 04/13/2002 4:21:06 PM PDT by rwjst4
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To: Diogenesis
bump for laters...

prisoner6

13 posted on 04/13/2002 4:25:56 PM PDT by prisoner6
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To: Diogenesis
I hope the Navy sticks to war, and leaves the partical physics to the scientists.
19 posted on 04/13/2002 5:22:41 PM PDT by Brilliant
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Thanks for posting this, I had read it a couple of months ago, but didn't bookmark it, or couldn't find it if I did(BG), and wanted to show it to a freind.

The deturiated acetone sonoluminace that ORNL is working on is cold fusion. We just haven't figured out how to do it on a scale that will be useful.

21 posted on 04/13/2002 5:26:13 PM PDT by PeaceBeWithYou
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science ping
22 posted on 04/13/2002 5:28:54 PM PDT by edwin hubble
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1) A two-month-old arcane technical article is not breaking news, period.

2) It is disingenuous to call this a "US Navy Report". It's simply something a US Navy employee wrote up on his own time stating his opinion. He has every right to do so, but it's hardly the same thing as "the US Navy supporting cold fusion." What it sounds like upon reading, of course, is a government employee writing his little heart out to get $$$$$$$ for his department.

23 posted on 04/13/2002 5:53:44 PM PDT by Timesink
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For what it is worth, I called Dr. Rich Carlin at ONR on October 16, 2001. He is head of their Physical Sciences and Technologies Division. His division used to fund cold fusion research during its peak, but no Navy funded research is going on now. He told me there are a lot of uncertainties remaining regarding the interpretation of the experiments and how well they were done, but ONR is not interested in funding further studies. ONR has no official position on cold fusion, but they are not pursuing it.

The official position of the US Navy does not support cold fusion of the Fleischmann and Pons type. In fairness, the official Navy position does not deny it either.

28 posted on 04/13/2002 7:55:12 PM PDT by Gordian Blade
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... the presence of strange attractors...

BuzzWord alert! BuzzWord alert! Danger! Incoming BuzzWords!

34 posted on 04/13/2002 9:14:49 PM PDT by Doctor Stochastic
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I hope ONI finally releases the secret to cold fusion and puts an end to these bloody CIA oil games.
42 posted on 04/13/2002 10:42:55 PM PDT by Plummz
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If this is true then it's good bye OPEC.
45 posted on 04/13/2002 10:50:25 PM PDT by fella
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OK .. I admit .. none of this makes sense to me .. could you summarize it for me .. Thanks
46 posted on 04/13/2002 10:55:13 PM PDT by Mo1
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To: Diogenesis
I'm not science-savvy, but this is really interesting!
49 posted on 04/14/2002 12:24:15 AM PDT by WaterDragon
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In other words, somebody initiated a study project into reviewing Cold Fusion. The person or persons conducting said study performed some literature research. They made a few notes and comments at the time of their reading the research notes, and now report their comments. No attention to detail or complete top-down or bottom-up analysis has been made. No description of limiting factors in the study's scope have been made. In general, the person/s performing the study might have a college degree in a science or engineering discipline but lack the ability to publish findings or even a research paper.

Regardless of preliminary qualifications and implicit due diligence for proper research, a paper is being tendered as a deliverable for said study which doesn't really address anything of quantifiable, identifiable, measurable, or repetitively describable format. Persons paid to perform scientific research like to get their money for nothing and their chicks for free, also. And BTW, ongoing state and local politics sometimes address broadbased topics which happen to touch upon one of the same physical terms seen in this study, namely 'energy'.

IMHO, the study isn't worth the paper its printed on. Worse, it took funding which is difficult to obtain to actually study said reported phenomenon and fails to render scientific professional due diligence in its deliverables.

51 posted on 04/14/2002 12:48:14 AM PDT by Cvengr
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"By the Second International Conference on Cold Fusion, held at Villa Olmo, Como, Italy, in June/July 1991, the altitude toward Cold Fusion was beginning to take on a more scientific basis.

Was that altitude measured above sea level or ground level?....sarcastic inquiring minds need to know..../sarcasm off.

Too bad the forward isn't as simply directed and focused in its measurable metrics as the above quote.

I've found the topic of 'Cold Fusion' to offer good opportunity in the identification problem, history of science, and philosophy of science. Many of the topics implied by the study require an intuition of the founding arguments used in science for basic terminology. The actual meanings, scope, and limitations of terms between different branches of science as well as identifying the mathematical methods used to describe phenomena from different scientific points of view.

Simple terms such as each term in Maxwell's Eqns (quantum, QED), terms from electrochemistry, terms from solid-state physics, derived terms and terms used as identifiable measurables all have some basic implied meanings constraining their range and domains of valid use.

The Cold Fusion problem exemplifies a problem where the quantification of some of these measurables might exceed the functional domains of other functions. Using a handful of measurables might lead to actual circular reasoning and measurements which imply false meanings without indications of the problem to junior postdoctorate level researchers.

I found study of the topic to mandate a review of the researcher's academic background to more fully appreciate their point of view and implied understandings of basic scientific terms. My viewpoint is more from rigorous Material Science ( Mechanical, Electronic, and Chemical), applied mathematics, and common engineering. Too many researchers in this field are either PhDs in Physics, with less than a 3rd year college experience in scientific study of Chemistry, or Physical Chemists, with less than 5 yrs of collegiant study in applied mathematics, or engineers / applied mathematicians with only one or two years of study in chemistry and physics.

I've found that a good 3 yrs of study of both Chemistry and Physics at the undergraduate level is required to even identify the semantical and meaningful conflicts between the sciences. Another 2-3 years of study in each discipline is then required, devoted to simply studying the etymology of the eqns and basic scientific terms. Essentially, this further study amounts to forming a history of science intuition. Then for a particular problem, such as 'Cold Fusion' a quick study and reformulation of scientific reports in an applied mathematics format allows the problem to take shape meaningfully.

Until this is done, too many sparsely described phenomenon are discussed using less than 5 variables when perhaps 10 are involved amongst peers who are only intuitive with discussing 1-3 variable problems.

53 posted on 04/14/2002 1:30:10 AM PDT by Cvengr
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Real quick....name the last great invention that came as a result of government spending.

Seems the Official reports have recommendations along the lines of "We're on to something here" and ".....more funding is needed in the area of ...."

Entrepreneurial inquisitiveness is easily squashed in bureaucracies.

61 posted on 04/14/2002 3:00:33 AM PDT by The Raven
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