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To: Homer_J_Simpson
I'm with Homer on this one. I stand nothing to gain from drilling in alaska. Why should some big oil buddies of Bush get rich, and Alaska suffers.

We should look into developing new forms of fuel, because in 80 or so years this planet's gonna be tapped out. And if that doesn't concern you, then think on our current Meast prediciment.

2 posted on 04/10/2002 3:19:50 PM PDT by KnowYourEnemy
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To: KnowYourEnemy
Drill deep

Drill fast

Drill often

Drill for America!

3 posted on 04/10/2002 3:22:57 PM PDT by RIGHT IN SEATTLE
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To: KnowYourEnemy
AND ALASKA SUFFERS!!!!??????

Oh, I guess that's why 75% of Alaskans WANT the drilling, including the native Inuits. Hmmmmm.

6 posted on 04/10/2002 3:25:41 PM PDT by Wphile
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To: KnowYourEnemy
The Chronicle's ed-board all walked or peddled to work today, I'm sure.

New fuels, eh? Find something that delivers the same bang for the buck as hydrocarbons, and rule the world.

I'm thinking....

8 posted on 04/10/2002 3:27:03 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: KnowYourEnemy
KnowYourEnemy...member since April 8th 2002. Stick around chump...and you'll get to know lots. Everyone will become your enemy with fruity retorts like that.
9 posted on 04/10/2002 3:28:40 PM PDT by crz
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To: KnowYourEnemy
I'm with Homer on this one. I stand nothing to gain from drilling in alaska. Why should some big oil buddies of Bush get rich, and Alaska suffers.

Every time your mommy drives you to school, "some big oil buddies of Bush get rich."

You DO stand something to gain from drilling in Alaska -- less dependency on the Middle East for our oil. Wouldn't that be a good thing? Might help solve some foreign policy negatives.

And how will 'Alaska suffer' from the billions of dollars of revenue that will make its way out of the ground? I'd say Alaska will do anything BUT suffer if we start gettin' the oil outta the ground.

Do you think the oil workers and lumberjacks think of themselves as 'suffering' for having good jobs?

Hey -- oil executives make money when people drive cars. Get over it. It's a fact of life. 99% of Americans think that driving their own car is preferable to walking, biking, and hiking your way around the Earth. The fact that you don't like someone making money on that truth says more about you than it does about those evil Bush-friends.

Living in Orange County, California, when I was a kid I could see probably 45-50 oil wells within 3 or 4 miles of my house. Somehow we managed to survive. Somehow, people went about their business, birds flew, squirrels dug, and things worked out just fine. In the process, that oil helped develop Orange County.

Oil isn't all bad, KTE. And those that deliver oil aren't evil incarnate. They're people looking to support their families, which is more productive than living in a tree to protest logging for 2 years.

13 posted on 04/10/2002 3:40:17 PM PDT by zoyd
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To: KnowYourEnemy
How will Alaska Suffer?

Should we buy oil from Saddam until the "Clean Fuel" is developed?

Do you know the Actual percentage of Land that will be used?

Do you have any facts or do you regularly state your opinion as fact with no backing?

15 posted on 04/10/2002 3:41:46 PM PDT by CyberCowboy777
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To: KnowYourEnemy
We should look into developing new forms of fuel, because in 80 or so years this planet's gonna be tapped out.

I've been hearing this from you people on the left for 30 years. All the predictions from 1970 (Club of Rome, Daniel Yergin, Earth Day supporters, etc) predicted $60/barrel oil by 1990 and exhaustion of oil supplies by 2005. Solar power, wind power etc (in most cases) are not viable without huge subsidies by government (tax money). What "new forms of fuel" do you propose, burning wood? Or, how about whale oil. Go back to school and figure out some new lies.

19 posted on 04/10/2002 3:42:32 PM PDT by rohry
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To: KnowYourEnemy
You really made two arguments that need addressing. The first is that opening ANWR to drilling should be avoided because it will only enrich the oil men. That argument is just plain silly. Refusing to open ANWR enriches those who do not refuse to develop their reserves - i.e. the Saudis, the Russians, the Norwegians, the Mexicans, the Iraquis, etc.... Should we hurt our own oilmen in order to enrich the oilmen in other countries? If you want direct benefits from ANWR then buy the cheaper gas and invest in a U.S. oil company. Otherwise, quit your whining about others who are willing to invest, risk and work so that you can buy gas for under two dollars a gallon.

The second argument is that we'd be better off pursuing alternative energy sources. Here's a newsflash for you - we have. The reason that those sources haven't panned out is because the technological advancements in the petroleum industry kept the cost of oil cheap relative to the costs of the alternative energy sources.

Thirty years ago they said that the worlds oil reserves would be depleted by the turn of the century. Today we have more proven reserves than we did 20 years ago. How? Simple - technology constantly improves on our methods for discovering and extracting oil. Expected developments in extracting oil from shale alone could double proven reserves within the next 10 years.

Twenty years ago experts predicted that solar power would be price competitive with other forms of energy. In a sense they were right - the cost of solar power per killowat hour has dropped dramatically. The second part of their predictions was wrong. In order to predict that solar power would be price competitive, the experts assumed massive increases in the cost of fossil fuels. They were simply wrong - the cost of fossil fuels today are cheaper in real dollars than they were in the 1970s.

As long as oil and other fossil fuels continue to be the most efficient and inexpensive source of fuel we should and will continue to exploit it. When they becomes too costly to extract, we will naturally, and through market forces, develop alternatives. To try and force the market to accept alternatives now when they are not needed will hurt the economy and will ultimately fail.

24 posted on 04/10/2002 3:49:34 PM PDT by Zonitics
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To: KnowYourEnemy
We should look into developing new forms of fuel, because in 80 or so years this planet's gonna be tapped out. And if that doesn't concern you, then think on our current Meast prediciment.

80 years? By who's estimate? Paul Ehrlich?

Perhaps you mean there are 80 years of KNOWN RESERVES. Of course, there were 80 years of known reserves 80 years ago.

27 posted on 04/10/2002 3:51:48 PM PDT by TomB
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To: KnowYourEnemy
Why should some big oil buddies of Bush get rich, and Alaska suffers.

It appears you are assigning a negative motive...care to back it up with facts?

Conservation is a great conservative principle. It has been perverted by leftist, politically motivated -- anti-human, Eco-envirnmentalism. No conservative turns away from conservationist discoveries in alternative fuels and energy uses. When they make economic sense, they rally to them. When they are politically correct government planning, they shun them for the falures they will become (say Jimmy Carter three times, under your breath).

Conservatives merely want the nation to control its energy destiny, not external forces. Envirnmentalists seem to want an externally driven, unavoidable, energy train wreck simply to help their anti-human development agenda. Which side are you on in that choice?

With all the prudent (another conservative virtue) controls and concerns, drill the ANWR areas the local inhabitants (not the outside tribe that got left out and is siding with enviro-whackos to get a piece of the pie) want to develope. Do it sensibly and take the bounty for our nation's people

28 posted on 04/10/2002 3:51:56 PM PDT by KC Burke
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To: KnowYourEnemy
Why would you oppose removing the underground oil that contaminates this "pristine" environment?
33 posted on 04/10/2002 3:54:11 PM PDT by SunTzuWu
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To: KnowYourEnemy;all
because in 80 or so years this planet's gonna be tapped out

Not all agree:

The world has more oil not less

The Origin of Methane (and Oil) in the Crust of the Earth
Thomas Gold
U.S.G.S. Professional Paper 1570, The Future of Energy Gases, 1993

PETROLEUM RESERVES EVALUATED WITH MODERN PETROLEUM SCIENCE

Another Washington Post article here

34 posted on 04/10/2002 3:54:51 PM PDT by backhoe
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To: KnowYourEnemy
and Alaska suffers

HAHA!! Alaskans are some of the most ardent advocates for drilling. It will improve their way of life and have minimal adverse effect on the environment.

Typical of lefties to mourn over a wilderness that they and few others will never even visit and at the same time hold back local citizens from improving their way of life.

37 posted on 04/10/2002 3:56:45 PM PDT by what's up
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To: KnowYourEnemy
Wow! Your second day here, and you're already one of the Brightest Lights on FR!
39 posted on 04/10/2002 3:58:01 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty
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To: KnowYourEnemy
The real problem the left has with drilling and the environment is that they can't figure how how all those oil tankers are gonna get to where the drills are.
47 posted on 04/10/2002 4:01:26 PM PDT by SGCOS
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To: KnowYourEnemy
"We should look into developing new forms of fuel..."

Like nuclear power plants, right?

51 posted on 04/10/2002 4:09:36 PM PDT by okie01
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To: KnowYourEnemy
We should look into developing new forms of fuel, because in 80 or so years this planet's gonna be tapped out. And if that doesn't concern you, then think on our current Meast prediciment.

I think your full of crap with the 80 year figure but you're right. We don need alternate energy.

NUCLEAR REACTORS need to dot the land. Then we'll be fine. So tell you're enviro-whacko buds to quit whining about atomic energy.

61 posted on 04/10/2002 4:28:34 PM PDT by Centurion2000
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To: KnowYourEnemy
We should look into developing new forms of fuel, ....

I know nothing about you, but I do have a suggestion. You say it will take ten years to develop the fields, and we should be looking a alternative methods of power. In that ten years, you or some one you know of, could well have time to earn a Doctorate in Chemical engineering or soome other related field. With that knowledge, you might well be able to find that alternative. Think of the benefits you could provide to all mankind.

86 posted on 04/10/2002 4:56:27 PM PDT by Brad C.
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To: KnowYourEnemy
How many acres in ANWAR? 100's of thousands... how many needed to drill? less than .01%

You tree hugger wo want to preserve the 'pristine' nature of alaska should go live there and live in it...

107 posted on 04/10/2002 6:38:55 PM PDT by Mr. K
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To: KnowYourEnemy
I'm with Homer on this one. I stand nothing to gain from drilling in alaska. Why should some big oil buddies of Bush get rich, and Alaska suffers.

We should look into developing new forms of fuel, because in 80 or so years this planet's gonna be tapped out. And if that doesn't concern you, then think on our current Meast prediciment.


You are not allowed to participate in this argument until you (1) get some facts, (2) can think beyond what you "stand to gain" or (3) develop a new fuel in which I can heat my home and run my car.
118 posted on 04/11/2002 4:31:52 PM PDT by No Left Turn
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