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I Want My M60 Back!
Freerepublic.com | 4/9/2002 | Patton

Posted on 04/09/2002 8:03:39 PM PDT by patton

Ladies and Gentlemen,

I am annoyed. I humped/drug/carried an M-60 machine gun through the woods of North Carolina, Alaska, Panama, Georgia, and - well, you name it.

It weighed 23.6 pounds (a number ingrained in my anatomy), plus 7 pounds/hundred rounds of ammo.

I often went without food, in order to carry more ammo. So did my crew - we could live on short rations, but not short on ammo.

Why, exactly, am I less trustworthy as a civilian to fire this pig?

What have we lost, in the way of freedom, while I wasted my time defending it?


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: 2a; banglist; rtkaba; secondamendment
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Gunner mission front! Tanks in the open.
1 posted on 04/09/2002 8:03:39 PM PDT by patton
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To: *bang_list
Machine guns are protected under 2A.
2 posted on 04/09/2002 8:04:40 PM PDT by patton
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Tank replies: Gunner coax, troops, identified, gunner take over, cal .50.
3 posted on 04/09/2002 8:07:22 PM PDT by SBeck
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To: SBeck
Tanks in the open is a suicide call for a 60 gunner, kind of like this post. heh.
4 posted on 04/09/2002 8:09:19 PM PDT by patton
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To: patton
Why, exactly, am I less trustworthy as a civilian to fire this pig?

No UCMJ, nor a chain of command.

5 posted on 04/09/2002 8:11:43 PM PDT by Woahhs
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To: patton
You forgot to mention it was 43 1/2 inches long and fired at 550-650 rpm.
6 posted on 04/09/2002 8:13:31 PM PDT by dts32041
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To: Woahhs
Not true, Not True, and why does it matter?
7 posted on 04/09/2002 8:13:58 PM PDT by patton
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To: Woahhs
That UCMJ and command is under civilian control. Is he not a civilian?
8 posted on 04/09/2002 8:14:38 PM PDT by PatrioticAmerican
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To: patton
Actually. You can have one. Ya just gotta pay the $200 tax.
9 posted on 04/09/2002 8:14:55 PM PDT by PatrioticAmerican
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To: dts32041
"Fire-a-three-to-six-round-burst"

Followed by, "OH, SH$T"

10 posted on 04/09/2002 8:15:39 PM PDT by patton
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To: PatrioticAmerican
so he gets to command himself?
11 posted on 04/09/2002 8:15:56 PM PDT by Woahhs
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To: PatrioticAmerican
And live in a state that will allow it. And you have to PAY FOR IT this time, you don't get it for free.
12 posted on 04/09/2002 8:16:35 PM PDT by xm177e2
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To: PatrioticAmerican
Actually. You can have one. Ya just gotta pay the $200 tax

I don't think that's his point.

13 posted on 04/09/2002 8:17:29 PM PDT by Woahhs
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To: patton
Unfortunately, M60's are extremely expensive for civilians. They must be on an ATF Form 3 (dealer) or Form 4(individual) transfer tax status form, and on the National Firearms Act (NFA) of 1934.

You must first FIND the M60 that you would like. Most all are used (read well used).

Then you must decide on the quality...reweld, receiver only, or a quality Maramount or RIA (Rock Island Armory) gun.

Then you must have the seller, be it an individual or Class 3 FFL holder send it to your local friendly Class 3 FFL if out of state.

Then you must pay for the weapon. A receiver only will run you $8,000. A New in Box (NIB) Maramount will run you $20,000, an RIA will run you around $15,000. The eight (8) original M60E3's on the registry are around $40,000 each.

You must then fill out the ATF form 4 if you live in an NFA friendly state. You must get a chief law enforcement official (CLEO) to sign off for you and do a set of fingerprints. Then you must send the fingerprints (2 sets) with 2 photos and 2 Form 4s to Chicago for your $200 transfer tax to be cashed.

Your application for transfer of the machine gun will then be sent to DC where it will sit on a desk for four months until the lazy S.O.B.'s at the NFA Branch do an FBI background check and then put a little stamp on one of your Form 4's, and then send it to the dealer or individual holding your weapon for all this time.

When you get your form 4, you can then take possession of your firearm.

I have two M60's and one is a dealer sample, not transferble to civilians. FFL, LEO, or military only. The other is my "safe queen".

Let me know if you still want a "pig".

15 posted on 04/09/2002 8:20:39 PM PDT by DCBryan1
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Would you write something for me in my next news letter. RMrattlesnake@lycos.com I would like to print some of your story. Please.
16 posted on 04/09/2002 8:21:17 PM PDT by RMrattlesnake
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To: dax zenos
Yes. I want one. Why was it confusing?
17 posted on 04/09/2002 8:21:56 PM PDT by patton
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To: patton
I want you as my nieghbour and good friend!

Oh yes, bring your guns too!

18 posted on 04/09/2002 8:22:00 PM PDT by Balding_Eagle
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M60E3 = POS ....

Go with a MAG58 or a BAR of all things.

19 posted on 04/09/2002 8:22:45 PM PDT by Centurion2000
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Go with a MAG58 or a BAR of all things.

I can get both for him. Trouble is Kent Lomont in ID has both of the only tranferabl Mag58's...he is asking for $100,000 a pair.

The BAR's are harder to find to, especially quality ones.

A Marlin or Winchester M1918 will run you $20,000 for mint. A new manufactured Group Industries will run you $16,000 or more.

20 posted on 04/09/2002 8:27:27 PM PDT by DCBryan1
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