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Japanese Medical Experiments Revealed (response to thread about "Pain" caused by US Internment Camps
Stars and Stripes --also: (Chronicle of the Second World War, p 660) ^ | 31 August 1945 | David Gould

Posted on 04/04/2002 8:51:39 AM PST by SkyPilot

JAPANESE MEDICAL EXPERIMENTS REVEALED

Tokyo, 31 August 1945 ...Stars and Stripes

Horrific details of atrocities carried out by Japanese doctors are emerging as Allied PoWs are released. Prisoners have been subjected to vivisection. Others have been used as human guinea-pigs and injected with acid, inoculated with fatal diseases, or frozen at minus six degrees Fahrenheit (-20 C).

Eight U.S. airman shot down after B-29 raids in May died in vivisection experiments carried out by Professor Fukujior at Kyushu University. One PoWs stomach was removed, and an artery cut to see how long it was before he died.

Many of the atrocities have been at Japan's top-secret bacteriological warfare unit 731 at Harblin, in Manchuria. Prisoners were inoculated with anthrax, typhoid and cholera to test germ potency. Others have been boiled or dehydrated to death. Experiments included prolonged exposure to X-rays and prisoners subjected to a pressure chamber where the blood was forced out of their skin as they died in agony.

PoWs fear that 731's commander, Shiro Ishii, will escape prosecution in return for turning over germ warfare data to the U.S. Two released U.S. doctors also revealed today how they were made to prepare lethal acid-based solutions for Japanese doctors to inject into U.S. PoWs at a Tokyo hospital.


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To: billybudd
"What do the internment camps in the US have to do with the Japanese experiments?"

Everything. It demonstrates, by historical evidence, how differently the U.S. treats prisoners/internees. It juxtaposes the barbarity of totalitarian regimes against the relative civility of American practices. It speaks volumes about the character of the people we were fighting. Arguing against that is to be in denial, or simply a nihilist.
41 posted on 04/06/2002 11:06:02 AM PST by ableChair
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To: Doctor Stochastic
"Do you really believe that the response to one nation's attack on the US should be to throw US citizens into internment camps? Would it have been proper to throw US citizens of German descent (maybe named Eisenhower for example) into interment camps because of Germany's actions? Should people of English descent be put into internment camps because of English actions in Ireland?"

In a state of war, and when you cannot tell for certain if someone is aiding and abetting the enemy, more general internment practices are warranted. Granted, if there was NO evidence at all of collaboration, then internment would be unreasonable. But the FBI investigated each case before it was decided to intern these folks, and not all persons of Japanese origin were interred.

As for other nationalities, they too were interred. The standard was based on evidence of past or future possible collaboration. Given that, relatively speaking, the internment was quite civilized, I see no problem with it in a time of national exigency.
42 posted on 04/06/2002 11:10:30 AM PST by ableChair
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To: ableChair
I agree completely. I only wanted to say that we should judge our government's actions by our own standards of right and wrong, not by what the Japanese or anyone else did. I think it's wrong to say that because the US acted better than the Japanese, that the US actions were OK. They weren't. But I also think it's wrong to say that because the US made a mistake, that it's somehow an unforgivable evil, a reason to reject the US, rather than rejecting the mistake.
43 posted on 04/06/2002 11:15:50 AM PST by billybudd
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To: SkyPilot
A word to the wise:

Anytime you see someone objecting/complaining to unfair/unjust treatment of others when far more serious cases of the same exist, but are ignored by the complainant, then you are probably seeing propaganda. I'm glad to see someone posting the truth. It happens all too rarely.

Anyone genuinely concerned about these issues, and these issues alone, will focus their limited resources on the most serious cases first. Folks that bemoan the treatment of Japanese-Americans in internment camps and mention nothing of the barbarity of Japan, the USSR, et al, are pathetically transparent. It's not like we're talking Quantum Physics here.
44 posted on 04/06/2002 11:18:32 AM PST by ableChair
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To: billybudd
"They weren't"

How so? See my other post on the justification for internment.
45 posted on 04/06/2002 11:20:58 AM PST by ableChair
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To: ableChair
Come on, you want me to believe that the US government proved in each case that the individual being detained was collaborating with the Japanese? Give me a break. They detained entire families! If you want to be in denial and claim that everything was fine and dandy, then go ahead. But history is clear - there were obviously rights violations and those are NOT excused in a time of war. Anytime we say "oh it's war, we all need to pitch in and throw our rights out the window", it's one step closer to the totalitarian state. But in any case, the US has compensated the people who were in the camps, so there is a basic settlement of the case. I really have no gripe against the government, I just find it annoying that people claim that nothing was wrong with detaining people based on their ancestry - which is what happened.
46 posted on 04/06/2002 12:07:50 PM PST by billybudd
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To: Doctor Stochastic
Do you really believe that the response to one nation's attack on the US should be to throw US citizens into internment camps? Would it have been proper to throw US citizens of German descent (maybe named Eisenhower for example) into interment camps because of Germany's actions?

Maybe not US citizens of German descent, but what about citizens who were card-carrying members of the Nazi Party?

The issue is a loathsome ideology which is every bit as nasty as National Socialism, even though it cloaks itself as a religion

47 posted on 04/06/2002 12:40:36 PM PST by SauronOfMordor
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To: theprogrammer
I never claimed that anything done to people in Japan was "more atrocious" than tossing American Citizens into internment camps. Those are your words, not mine. Please refrain from trying to put words into my mouth.

What I said was that internment of American Citizens without trial, was not a correct response to things done in other countries. Do you believe that we should jail people of English descent in response to English actions in Ireland?

48 posted on 04/06/2002 1:53:03 PM PST by Doctor Stochastic
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To: Doctor Stochastic; Sky Pilot
Should people of English descent be put into internment camps because of English actions in Ireland?

What English actions in Ireland?

Beating the Irish at soccer and Rugby, perhaps?

[Bit naughty, that!]

Subsidising them and providing them Billions of Pounds in aid and jobs for their immigrants, for centuries, perhaps?

Oh yes -- and the West Coast Japanese were mostly loyal to Japan -- and made no bones about it. And in any case the "DemocRATS who rounded them up and interned them wanted to steal their money and confiscate their property!

[And did just that!]

49 posted on 04/06/2002 2:34:51 PM PST by Brian Allen
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To: 2banana
The US did throw Americans of German and Italian heritage into camps during WWII

A. There were too many of them. B. Neither Germany nor Italy launched an attack on a U.S. possession. Also, soldiers were assigned to different theaters of the war based on their ethnicity. There were Japanese-American soldiers serving in Europe.
50 posted on 04/06/2002 2:38:41 PM PST by aruanan
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To: Doctor Stochastic
Lots of American citizens went INSTEAD to WAR, and DIED....internment would have been a NICE alternative....
51 posted on 04/06/2002 2:40:16 PM PST by goodnesswins
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To: staytrue; Stone Mountain; Sky Pilot
staytrue: -- I don't think .....

You got that right.

And, by projection it on to SkyPilot, demonstrated your own rascist bigotry.


52 posted on 04/06/2002 2:41:28 PM PST by Brian Allen
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To: Brian Allen
projection=projecting
53 posted on 04/06/2002 2:44:26 PM PST by Brian Allen
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To: happygrl
The Japanese Americans were in no danger whatsoever from other Americans. What was in danger was their property, including land purchased by their non-citizen Issei parents.

I know a family who owned a swath of land extending to the Pacific, roughly 10 miles deep along Wilshire on East past Little Tokyo.

Today this land is worth several billion dollars.

While they were held captive in a variety of camps, 100% of it ended up in the hands of wealthy white Californians, there being no wealthy black Californians at the time.

They recovered 5 cents on the dollar of loss and purchased a very large chunk of Anaheim. Part of that farm is now the Disneyland parking lot.

Disney is the only white man who ever paid them a penny for any property.

54 posted on 04/06/2002 2:51:49 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Indrid Cold
The Morgenthau Plan was NOT ADOPTED!
55 posted on 04/06/2002 2:55:37 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: SkyPilot
Skypilot, you aren't white are you? Seems to me I've met you before, and you didn't strike me as white.

Anyway, that's just the way it seemed to me at the time. Possibly others would agree. You might ask them.

56 posted on 04/06/2002 2:58:34 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Brian Allen
Contrary to your claim, the case was that virtually none of the Japanese and Japanese-Americans on the West Coast had the slightest loyalty to Japan. There are a number of reasons for this, most stemming back to an event called the Meiji Restoration.

As a practical matter, most of the Issei would be considered political refugees under today's understanding of the term. In any case, the greater part of the JA population were children. By Constitutional right they were citizens.

There are numerous books written about the situation. You should read them first.

It is rather startling to see the old WWII anti-Japanese racist propaganda popping up here in FR.

57 posted on 04/06/2002 3:05:44 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Brian Allen;Skypilot
if some here are going to say the Japanse placed into interment camps during WW II suffered

This is your statement and it seems to indicate that you think the American citizens of japanese descent are not americans but are in fact japanese. In fact, you seem to think that because the Japanese military abused US servicemen, that is somehow justification for the US govt. to abuse the rights of the japanese american citizens in the US.

I stand by my statement that you do not view the americans interned in WWII unless you correct the above statement.

58 posted on 04/06/2002 3:50:59 PM PST by staytrue
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To: muawiyah
It is rather startling to see the old WWII anti-Japanese racist propaganda popping up here in FR.

This is old news. This is not anti japanese propaganda but it is accurate. But why Freepers would condone US govt. abuse of japanese americans and justify said abuse because of the Japanese military's actions in WWII is unacceptable.

Here is the dichotomy. White people want to point fingers at the past history of a barbaric japan, but then when it comes to slavery, killing the indians, etc., they want to convieniently forget about it.

59 posted on 04/06/2002 4:00:28 PM PST by staytrue
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To: muawiyah; Sky Pilot
If I may paraphrase John Derbyshire:

Although the internment of Japanese-Americans in World War II is generally regarded as a very disgraceful episode-- the U.S. government interning U.S. citizens for reasons suspiciously racist [German-Americans and Italian-Americans were not interned in anything like such numbers, although many were interned] -- it was not, in the circumstances, not at all a deplorable action.

Your hyperbolic claim to the contrary notwithstanding, every internee, including those with United States Citizenship, was a Japanese citizen.

[At that time, Japanese automatically inherited citizenship from their fathers]

Only Japanese-Americans in likely infiltration areas were interned. Those in New York, Nebraska and Hawaii were not.

Japan had attacked American Territory; Germany and Italy had not. The camps were comfortable and contained beauty parlors, for example; in at least one case a Kabuki theater -- and were regularly visited by all the major news organizations of the time.

Japanese-Americans were given the choice of returning to Japan, and many did so. The Japanese authorities regarded them with deep suspicion and put them to forced labor in concentration camps.

Those Japanese-Americans who were interned all argue that they were not security threats and I am sure most were not. And am equally sure that a great many were. The record shows that the phrase "Nihon ga kateba ii" -- "I hope Japan wins"-- was very often heard among Japanese-Americans at the time.

That said, I thank you also for your haughty presumption as to my reading habits. Soory to disappoint but I have not only read modern history but also have lived quite a bit of it.

Half of my family spent all of World War Two under Japanese rule and several members of my wife's family were murdered by them. [As were forty million other innocents -- Hirohito, despite subsequent whitewashing and revisionism remains Human History's fourth most prolific mass-murderer!] Two of my Uncles; my mother's brother and brother-in-law; endured four years as Japanese prisonors in Singapore's Changi Prison.

That you would call our vivid memories of those appalling years of Japanese rape, torture, casual murder and fearsome and of loathesome brutality almost beyond the ability of the Human mind to comprehend: "the old WWII anti-Japanese racist propaganda;" is beyond, "rather startling."

It is bloody contemptible!

60 posted on 04/06/2002 4:04:26 PM PST by Brian Allen
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