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Who was Kamaal Ataturk?
Ask-Imam.com ^ | 2002-04-02 | Mufti Ebrahim Desai

Posted on 04/02/2002 3:13:59 PM PST by Salman

Who was Kamaal Ataturk? Is it true that he is regarded as a role model by Parvez Musharraf and Yasser Arafat?

Answer 5349 2002-04-02

A brief visit to Turkey is sufficient to reveal the un-Islamic environment there.

Kamal Ataturk of Turkey is largely responsible for that. The attached article clearly explains that. It is not surprising, in view of Parvez Musharraf and Yasser Arafaat's conduct that they imitated his way of rule - nationalism.

and Allah Ta'ala Knows Best

Mufti Ebrahim Desai

The fact that he was a despot and dictator cannot be denied. It was his cruelty and sadistic treatment of Muslims that makes him stand out as one of the worst enemies of Allah. The above was only what was reported and recorded by mostly Western observers. The extent of what actually went on in the new Turkey by the direct policy of Kamal, was heinous to say the least. He was an enemy of Allah (swt) to the core.

TIME - January 9, 1933: p. 64 " Squinting skyward last week, Turks looked for the new moon. When they should see it Ramadan would begin. Ramadan the mystic month in which the Koran was revealed to Prophet Mohammed. This year the first glint of the new moon had a special, dread significance. Turks had been ordered by their stern dictator, Mustafa Kemal Pasha who made them drop the veil and the fez (TIME, Feb. 15, 1926 et seq.), that beginning with Ramadan they must no longer call their god by his Arabic name, Allah.

No godly man, Dictator Kemal considers that there is no reason why Turks should not call Allah by his Turkish name Tanri. There is no reason except centuries of tradition, no reason except that Turkish imams (priests) all know the Koran by heart in Arabic while few if any have memorized it in Turkish. Strict to the point of cruelty last week was Dictator Kemal's decree that muezzins, calling the faithful to prayer from the top of Turkey's minarets, must shout not the hallowed "Allah Akbar!" (Arabic for "God is Great!") but the unfamiliar words "Tanri Uludur!" which mean the same thing in Turkish.

When imams threatened to suspend services in the mosques and hide the prayer rugs, the Government announced that it was holding 400 brand-new prayer rugs in reserve, threatened to produce "newly trained muezzins who know the Koran in Turkish and are ready to jump into the breach." .........

Nearer & nearer crept the moon to crescent. Ramadan was almost upon Turkey when officials of the Department of Culture (which includes religion) screwed up their courage and told Dictator Kemal that he simply could not change the name of Turkey's god - at least not last week. Already several muezzins had been thrown into jail for announcing that they would continue to shout "Allah Akbar!" The populace was getting ugly, obviously sympathized with the Allah-shouters.

Abruptly Dictator Kemal yielded "Let them pray as they please, temporarily" he growled. Beaming, his Minister rushed off to proclaim the glad respite only a few hours before the new moon appeared. "On account of the general unpreparedness of muezzins and imams," they suavely declared, "prayers may be offered and the Koran recited in Arabic during the present month of Ramadan, but discourse by the imams must be in Turkish."

During Ramadan all Moslems are especially irritable because they eat nothing during the hours of daylight. After the fasting is over Turks will be more tractable, may accept from their Dictator a new name for their God.

TIME February 20, 1933 p. 18 Word for God

A hard father to his people, Mustafa Kemal told his Turks last December that they must forget God in the Arabic language (Allah), learn Him in Turkish (Tanri). Admitting the delicacy of renaming a 1300-year-old god, Kemal gave the muezzins a time allowance to learn the Koran in Turkish. Last week in pious Brusa, the "green city," a muezzin halloed "Tanri Uludur" from one of the minarets whence Brusans had heard "Allah Akbar" since the 14th Century. Raging at Kemal Pasha's god, they mobbed the muezzin, mobbed the police who came to save him.

Quick to defend his new word for God, quicker to show new Turkey the fate of the old-fashioned, Kemal the Ghazi, "the Victorious One," pounced on Brusa, had 60 of the faithful arrested, ousted the Mufti (ecclesiastical judge) of the Ouglubjami mosque and decreed that henceforth God was Tanri.

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TIME, February 15, 1926 - pp. 15-16

"Turkey presents today the most promising and challenging field on the face of the earth for missionary service." Thus wrote James L. Barton, missionary executive, in last week's issue of 'Christian Work.' But first he summarized the revolutionary changes in Turkey since 1923. The changes: .........

For a hundred years Christian missionaries have struggled hopelessly to capture the hearts of the Calif-awed Turks. They had come, said Mr. Barton, to suspect that "the Moslem was outside the sphere of the operation of divine grace."

***** Turkey, Emil Lengyel - 1941, pp. 140-141

During the early days of Kemal's career, many of his followers were under the impression that he was a champion of Islam and that they were fighting the Christians. "Ghazi, Destroyer of Christians" was the name they gave him. Had thet been aware of his real intentions, they would have called him "Ghazi, Destroyer of Islam."

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Grey Wolf, Mustafa Kemal - An Intimate Study of a Dictator H.C. Armstrong, 1934

He was drinking heavily. The drink stimulated him, gave him energy, but increased his irritability. Both in private and public he was sarcastic, brutal and abrupt. He flared up at the least criticism. He cut short all attempts to reason with him. He flew into a passion at the least opposition. He would neither confide in nor co-operate with anyone. When one politician gave him some harmless advice, he roughly told him to get out. When a venerable member of the Cabinet suggested that it was unseemly for Turkish ladies to dance in public, he threw a Koran at him and chased him out of his office with a stick.

p. 241: "For five hundred years these rules and theories of an Arab sheik," he said, "and the interpretations of generations of lazy, good-for-nothing priests have decided the civil and the criminal law of Turkey."

"They had decided the form of the constitution, the details of the lives of each Turk, his food, his hours of rising and sleeping, the shape of his clothes, the routine of the midwife who produced his children, what he learnt in his schools, his customs, his thoughts, even his most intimate habits.

"Islam, this theology of an immoral Arab, is a dead thing."

Possibly it might have suited tribes of nomads in the desert. It was no good for a modern progressive State.

"God's revelation!" There was no God. That was one of the chains by which the priests and bad rulers bound the people down.

"A ruler who needs religion to help him rule is a weakling. No weakling should rule.."

And the priests! How he hated them. The lazy, unproductive priests who ate up the sustenance of the people. He would chase them out of their mosques and monasteries to work like men.

Religion! He would tear religion from Turkey as one might tear the throttling ivy away to save a young tree.

p. 243: Further, it was public knowledge that he was irreligious, broke all the rules of decency, and scoffed at sacred things. He had chased the Sheik-ul-Islam, the High Priest of Islam, out of his office and thrown the Koran after him. He had forced the women in Angora to unveil. He had encouraged them to dance body close to body with accursed foreign men and Christians.

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Turkey - Emil Lengyel, 1941, p. 134

Kemal cared nothing about Allah; he was interested in himself and in Turkey. He hated Allah and made him responsible for Turkey's misfortune. It was Allah's tyrannical rule that paralyzed the hands of the Turk. But he knew that Allah was real to the Turkish peasant, while nationalism meant nothing to him. He decided, therefore, to draft Allah into his service as the publicity director of his national cause. Through Allah's aid his people must cease to be Mohammedans and become Turks. Then, after Allah had served Kemal's purpose, he could discard him.

*****

Ataturk, The Rebirth of a Nation - Lord Kinross, 1965, p. 437

For Kemal, Islam and civilization were a contradiction in terms. "If only," he once said of the Turks, with a flash of cynical insight, "we could make them Christians!" His was not to be the reformed Islamic state for which the Faithful were waiting: it was to be a strictly lay state, with a centralized Government as strong as the Sultan's, backed by the army and run by his own intellectual bureaucracy.

p. 470: The cleavage in his musical tastes emerged in Istanbul, where he once had two orchestras, one Turkish and one European, brought to the Park Hotel. He listened with constant interruptions, commanding one to stop and the other to play in turn. Finally, as the raki took effect, he lost patience and rose to leave the restaurant, saying, "Now if you like you can both play together." Another evening, incensed by the sound of the muezzin from a mosque opposite, which clashed with the dance-band, he ordered its minaret to be felled - one of those orders which was countermanded next morning.

*****

Ataturk, The Rebirth of a Nation - Lord Kinross, 1965 p. 365

Some confusion as to his identity persisted, however, for some years to come. Inspecting some soldiers in Anatolia, Kemal once asked, "Who is God and where does He live?"

The soldier, anxious to please, replied, "God is Mustafa Kemal Pasha. He lives in Angora."

"And where is Angora?" Kemal asked. "Angora is in Istanbul," was the reply.

Farther down the line he asked another soldier, "Who is Mustafa Kemal?" The reply was, "Our Sultan." -Irfan Orga: Phoenix Ascendant.


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This is an extreme Sunni Muslim site. Taleban sympathizers.

No surprise that they don't like Ataturk. The quotes from Time, etc are instructive, though I don't know how reliable.

What's particularly interesting is that the Imam equates Musharraf and Arafat to Ataturk.

1 posted on 04/02/2002 3:13:59 PM PST by Salman
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To: a_Turk; Turk2
Ataturk bash by Taliban types alert.
2 posted on 04/02/2002 3:18:02 PM PST by weikel
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To: Salman; a_Turk
It's a high compliment to get dissed by some idiot mufti.
3 posted on 04/02/2002 3:19:08 PM PST by dighton
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To: Salman
Isn't it PC to use translate God into the local lingo?
4 posted on 04/02/2002 3:25:14 PM PST by Shermy
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To: Salman
I don't understand the comparison with Musharref and Arafat. They both embrace Shar'ia law, at least to some extent.

Ataturk was wise enough to realize that there must be at least some separation of church and state.

5 posted on 04/02/2002 3:26:39 PM PST by B Knotts
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To: Salman
"For five hundred years these rules and theories of an Arab sheik," he said, "and the interpretations of generations of lazy, good-for-nothing priests have decided the civil and the criminal law of Turkey."

They hate Ataturk. They hate him, they hate him, they hate him.

6 posted on 04/02/2002 3:32:30 PM PST by denydenydeny
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To: Salman
Of course they don't like someone who tried to yank their followers out of the 13th century and provide them with a modern life.
7 posted on 04/02/2002 3:33:56 PM PST by Arkinsaw
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To: B Knotts
I don't understand the comparison with Musharref and Arafat. They both embrace Shar'ia law, at least to some extent.

I have underlined the key words. Musharraf and Arafat just aren't Islamic "enough" for Mufti. Not only that, Musharraf "betrayed" the Taleban, who were the only true Islamic regime in the world according to Mufti.

8 posted on 04/02/2002 3:35:50 PM PST by Salman
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I think Attaturk was the best thing to happen to Anatolian Turks since Mehmet the Conqueror, if not Uthman or even Seljuk.
9 posted on 04/02/2002 3:45:51 PM PST by rmlew
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To: Salman
The way I heard it, Mustafa Kemal saved his country.

At the end of WWI, the battered remains of the Ottoman Empire were on the ropes entirely. The Western powers agreed to look the other way while the Greeks (formerly subject peoples of the Ottomans) launched an invasion on the western coast of Turkey proper.

The Sultan and all his boys had already sold out to save their own skins.

The Turkish army was discouraged, defeated. But as the Greek armies rolled across Anatolia, one man in particular stood up and said, "Enough is enough."

Mustafa Kemal rallied the troops to stand against the invading Greeks. Still they were pushed back and back. Back, until...

The Greeks were on the outskirts of Ankara. Kemal's provisional headquarters. And threatening the city.

It was there, in heavy fighting, deep within Turkey, that Kemal's troops finally brought the Greek juggernaut to a standstill.

And then Mustafa Kemal called together his officers. "Gentlemen," he said, "Your goal is the Aegean."

And when the Greeks had eventually been pushed all the way back to the Aegean Sea, all the way back to Greece, Kemal (who took the name Ataturk - "Father Turk") decided the future was in Europe, not trying to hang on to the old Ottoman way of life.

In fact, he decided to adopt the Latin alphabet (the same one we use) and abandon the Arabic script. He set up a commission to study how long it would take to change over. "It will take three years," they said. "We'll do it in three months," Ataturk replied. They did it in three months.

I've visited Turkey. It's a beautiful country, with friendly people and cuisine and sights that will make you want to return as soon as you can. OK, so they hassle you all the time trying to sell you stuff. But at least they do so in a friendly way. It has all the feel of a prosperous, happy and (Kurdish rebels aside) generally peaceful nation.

I may not have gotten all the details 100% right on the Ataturk tales, but that's the way I remember 'em.

10 posted on 04/02/2002 3:48:39 PM PST by john in missouri
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This mufti may have Arafat pegged as a Marxist and thus an atheist. But as long as he does a good job of killing Jews and Christians, I'm sure that the mufti will overlook such a minor fault.
11 posted on 04/02/2002 3:52:42 PM PST by Redcloak
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To: Salman
Ataturk deserves much more attention than we, in the West, have given him. During Time Magazine's poll to choose the most influential/important man of the 20th Century, Attaturk was highly rated. He was the only leader in the Middle Eastern world to have a modern vision. The more I have learned about this remarkable man, the more I am impressed.
12 posted on 04/02/2002 4:16:33 PM PST by happygrl
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To: Salman
It is probably all pretty accurate. I spent a good portion of my childhood in Istanbul and have ever since read everything I could get about Mustafa Kemal. Grey Wolf is the classic work. Kemal thought of himself as the Turkish Lenin and was, indeed, a despot but he had a goal and perhaps no other human could have accomplished what he did for a Moslem society.

The Turks to this day are Turkish citizens whose religion is Islam. They are not Moslems who happen to reside in a political entity called Turkey. Turkish people have no affiliation with any traditional tribal entity. They are citizens of a nation and, at least among the bourgeoisie (far mor numerous than in any other Moslem land) prefer their foreign alliances and friendships to relate to national interests and to progressing in/into western civilization.

13 posted on 04/02/2002 4:57:54 PM PST by arthurus
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To: john in missouri
You got'em. Read Grey Wolf.
14 posted on 04/02/2002 5:00:36 PM PST by arthurus
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To: Salman; weikel; dighton; rmlew
Islam teaches that for Judgement day to come, the Arabs must defeat the Turks...

Terrible news, as just when the Arabs thought they had defeated us, here comes Mustafa Kemal to upset their world...

Ataturk was not preoccupied with Islam, as much as he was with the sovereignty of Turkey. He allowed many a willing Turk to perish to guarantee that sovereignty... That's alright, we don't mind dying for that worthy cause.

Religion will never again be intertwined with the machinations of the state in Turkey.. Whatever it's hue, it will play second fiddle to the interests of the state...

Religion may be important and all for the individual, and even the community perhaps, but it is bad news if it were to ever take control of politics.
15 posted on 04/02/2002 5:18:21 PM PST by a_Turk
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To: Salman
Isn't Kamal the same Turk that was responsible for the holocaust of Armenia when a million men women and children were murdered by Turkish troops. Turkey denies involvement to this day, but it's really hard to hide that many bodies.
17 posted on 04/02/2002 5:25:13 PM PST by Paulus Invictus
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I don't think so I have read about the Armenian genocide I specifically remember his name NOT being mentioned.
18 posted on 04/02/2002 5:27:43 PM PST by weikel
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To: john in missouri
He also defeated the British at Gallipoli he was a military genius.
19 posted on 04/02/2002 5:29:18 PM PST by weikel
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To: Salman
Great post!
There was something vaguely familiar about this timeline. Something about it reminded me of the way today's liberals are trying so desperately to chase Christianity out of America in the name of "government knows best".
20 posted on 04/02/2002 5:31:26 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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