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Ray Won't Discuss Secret Clinton Evidence
NEWSMAX ^ | 3/26/02 | Limbacher

Posted on 03/26/2002 4:27:10 PM PST by Tumbleweed_Connection

Former independent counsel-turned-Senate candidate Robert Ray refuses to discuss still-secret scandal evidence against ex-President Bill Clinton, contending instead that it's time to "move on" from the investigation that led to the first impeachment of an elected president in U.S. history.

In a bizarre exchange Sunday with WABC Radio's Steve Malzberg, Ray all but ignored the potentially explosive question about heretofore unreported allegations against Clinton, preferring instead to keep the focus on his bid to replace Democratic Senator Robert Torricelli.

MALZBERG: During the impeachment hearings we heard so much about the evidence in the Ford Building. Tom Delay said that if the Senators took the time to review it, 67 votes to convict might materialize out of thin air. We heard reports of some congressmen becoming sick looking at the so-called evidence. Christopher Shays said he looked at the evidence and he said that, not only did Bill Clinton rape Juanita Broaddrick once, he raped her twice.

Did the Office of Independent Counsel have serious and credible evidence of sexual and other misconduct by Bill Clinton that we still don't know about?

RAY: I think the message I would like to send to New Jersey voters across the state is that I am the independent counsel who brought that investigation to an end in a credible way with real results accomplished, first, to vindicate the principle that no person, including the former president of the United States, was above the law.

And second, to be able to show that our Constitution works and allowed an investigation of the highest official in our government to conclude appropriately.

I think it's important now to put that matter behind us. That investigation is now over.... I think it's time for all of us to move on..... While justice was brought to Bill Clinton and his administration, it would all do us well to focus on the future. (End of Excerpt)

On Jan. 19, 2001, the former independent counsel cut a no-prosecution plea deal with Clinton in exchange for an admission that he lied during his Paula Jones deposition and to the Monica Lewinsky grand jury.

After his Senate trial acquittal, the secret Clinton impeachment files were transferred to the National Archives, where they are scheduled to remain under seal till the year 2048.

Though details of the sealed allegations against Clinton are unknown, scattered reports in the immediate aftermath of his trial suggest they include:

• Complaints from several female Secret Service agents who said they had been sexually harassed by Clinton.

• An account by Newsweek investigative reporter Michael Isikoff that Clinton sexually assaulted a second woman inside the Oval Office (besides Kathleen Willey).

• An allegation by a second Clinton rape accuser (beside Juanita Broaddrick) who said she was bitten and bruised during a 1978 attack.

• Details from the investigation into a rumored attack on a heavily drugged 14-year-old Arkansas girl who allegedly woke up with then-Gov. Clinton on top of her.

Reaction to the secret impeachment evidence by House members who viewed it was startling. Rep. Mike Castle (R-Del.) was reportedly reduced to tears by what he saw. Rep. Matt Salmon (R-Az.) said he was nauseated by the evidence against the then-president.

Much of the information from the independent counsel's secret Clinton impeachment files is believed to have been gleaned by Texas private investigators Rick and Beverly Lambert, who worked for the Paula Jones legal team and shared their files with Ray's predecessor, Ken Starr.

In 1999 the Lamberts told NewsMax.com, "If you want a pattern of aggressive sexual behavior (by Clinton), we have that." (See: The Jane Doe Case Files - Part 1, Part 2, Part 3)

During Sunday's interview, the ex-independent counsel also defended himself against recent comments by lead House impeachment prosecutor David Schippers, who told NewsMax.com last week that he was "appalled" at the Ray Report's characterization of Kathleen Willey as an unreliable witness.

"Let me say, first, that I have a great amount of respect for David Schippers," Ray told Malzberg, before noting that the former House impeachment prosecutor was speaking as Willey's lawyer when he condemned his report. (See: Schippers: 'I Was Appalled at Ray Report')

"The difficulty for any federal prosecutor," Ray told Malzberg. "is that no matter what a witness tells you, that information must be corroborated. And to the extent a witness tells you information and that witness, his or herself, has provided information.... that turns out to be false, the credibility of that witness is irreparably damaged." (See: Kathleen Willey Blasts Independent Counsel's Lewinsky Report)

Listen to WABC Radio's Steve Malzberg on "The Buzz" with Richard Bey, weekdays 6 to 8 p.m. EST, and solo Sunday's 9 a.m. to 12 noon EST, 770 on the AM dial.


TOPICS: Government
KEYWORDS: clintonscandals; electionuscongress; newjersey; secretevidence
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To: ml/nj;chemnitz
The Republicans refused to harp on the allegations, instead they pretended to be above it. Privately they hoped for the Clintons to fall, but publicly they preferred to ignore the questions. The Democrats called the charges and allegations political, and by the Republicans not pounding on the vulnerability, Clinton escaped. Republicans only had to send speaker after speaker to the talk shows, in interviews to newspapers, and buy political ads in tv, radio and other places, they could have changed opinion, but they are/were weak. Ironically, by holding their tongues, they lost the battle for the minds of America. Most Americans believe the charges against Clinton, were entirely political. IMO, they deserve to be a 2nd tier organization, they belong in the same place as the Whigs. The current leaders are still following this same game plan, compromise and get along, all the while getting nothing in return but a kick in the teeth.
21 posted on 03/26/2002 5:26:42 PM PST by jeremiah
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To: mombonn
Why can't someone leak the documents? Our enemies in the world probably have copies, and we the people can't see them.
22 posted on 03/26/2002 5:29:54 PM PST by jeremiah
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To: doug from upland
I think the message I would like to send to New Jersey voters across the state is that I am the independent counsel who brought that investigation to an end in a credible way with real results accomplished, first, to vindicate the principle that no person, including the former president of the United States, was above the law.

Ray is a bumbling, idiotic fool! How can he even hope to imagine that he will have any conservative support.

I think the only thing I can say is that unlike the female victims on to which Clinton forced himself, Clinton seduced Ray and once again screwed the country.

23 posted on 03/26/2002 5:32:25 PM PST by rundy
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To: jeremiah
Because, if you had access to it, you might demand something be done. And, they (politicians that are just as guilty) don't want anything done. Doing so would probably expose them to prosecution as well. Can't have that, now , can we ?
24 posted on 03/26/2002 5:33:22 PM PST by UCANSEE2
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
RAY: I think the message I would like to send to New Jersey voters across the state is that I am the independent counsel who brought that investigation to an end in a credible way with real results accomplished, first, to vindicate the principle that no person, including the former president of the United States, was above the law.

I can't believe I'm saying this, but he just might convince me to vote for Torricelli out of spite.

25 posted on 03/26/2002 5:38:30 PM PST by dead
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To: jeremiah
That's the trouble with being country club Republicans. To get along, go along. I haven't seen any expressions of gratitude from the Demon_rats. There was a time when the GOP had them on the run. But that was under Reagan.
26 posted on 03/26/2002 5:44:26 PM PST by Chemnitz
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To: Doc On The Bay
The "Authority & Prestige" of the OFFICE of the President of the United States has value to our Nation FAR ABOVE the failings of its occupant.

Funny how this argument didn't work for Nixon.

You cannot really believe what you write.

ML/NJ

27 posted on 03/26/2002 5:44:58 PM PST by ml/nj
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To: ml/nj
Nixon's was a failure on an intellectual level--Clinton failed on a personality/morality/primal urge level.

Hixon MIGHT be bribed---Clinton could EASILY be Blackmailed!

Their failings are ORDERS of MAGNITUDE apart.

Nixon was an embarrassment; Clinton was an UTTER HUMILIATION!

Doc

28 posted on 03/26/2002 6:29:09 PM PST by Doc On The Bay
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection;FryingPan101
Has anyone figured out why allegations of rape would be relevant to the articles of impeachment? I certainly don't see it.

I'd be pissed at the women who did not press charges against Clinton at the appropriate time.
29 posted on 03/26/2002 6:42:20 PM PST by Tickle Me Pank
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To: UCANSEE2
If I had access to these records, I would copy them down and give them to the NYT, the Enquirer, the Washington Post or whoever would pay my legal expenses to defend me at trial. The only problem is the New York Times would probably buy the rights to them, trash the copies and help imprison me for the duration of the embargo (46 years)
30 posted on 03/26/2002 7:04:34 PM PST by jeremiah
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To: ml/nj; Tumbleweed_Connection
What was the Republicans' excuse?

I'm surprised no one has come up with the obvious answer: 900+ FBI files in the hands of the Clintons!
The Republiboobs didn't want their own perversions and peccadilloes bought to public attention.

31 posted on 03/26/2002 8:59:48 PM PST by SR71A
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To: alamo-girl
Nothing like a Clinton sex crimes article to make me think of you. : )
32 posted on 03/26/2002 9:05:41 PM PST by breakem
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
********sealed in the Archives until 2048************

I'll only be 108, I can DO this!
33 posted on 03/26/2002 9:20:37 PM PST by Ditter
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To: SR71A
I'm surprised no one has come up with the obvious answer: 900+ FBI files in the hands of the Clintons! The Republiboobs didn't want their own perversions and peccadilloes bought to public attention.

Oh please!

These files have been used as an excuse for everything. Do you really think there are not honest/moral Republicans who are not blackmail material?

And I do not limit my comments to those in Congress. Where were the governors et al.?

ML/NJ

34 posted on 03/27/2002 3:30:38 AM PST by ml/nj
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To: Tumbleweed_Connection
How about we ask Hilliary? I'd say the public has a right to know just what she was enabling all that time in the White House.
35 posted on 03/27/2002 3:37:16 AM PST by mewzilla
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To: Ditter;mombonn
I'll be 104. Let's see now, the Old Man is 95 and going strong. He has an excellent chance at hitting the big C note. Geez, I just might get to read those files.

Think anybody will listen to us old geezers screaming, "I told you so!" from our walkers?

Or will it be a blank look and a "Who?"

36 posted on 03/27/2002 3:44:16 AM PST by metesky
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To: Chemnitz
Why do the Democrats get someone who will indict a paperclip and release the news just before election and we get a cover-up artist who cannot find anything wrong with a traitor, a rapist, a drug addict, a peculator?

Because the leftist press will hail the Dem attack dog as an effective prosecutor just doing his job, and nail our guy as a partisan perverted right-wing extremist just trying to get the President by looking into his bedroom.

37 posted on 03/27/2002 3:46:37 AM PST by copycat
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To: Tickle Me Pank
Has anyone figured out why allegations of rape would be relevant to the articles of impeachment? I certainly don't see it.

Identifying the Chief Executive as a raping, snorting, perjuring, sexually predatory, treasonous, trial tampering criminal kinda casts a pall over his promise to "faithfully execute the laws of the United States", wouldn't you say?

This is why Washington stated (paraphrasing) Let none but decent and moral men hold this office.

38 posted on 03/27/2002 3:54:26 AM PST by copycat
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To: copycat
Unless the documents in the Ford Building directly pertained to the specific articles of impeachment, they were irrelevant to the impeachment trial.
39 posted on 03/27/2002 4:05:09 AM PST by Tickle Me Pank
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To: Doc On The Bay
You are so right! I have a friend who said "clinton is bad but he can't be considered as bad as Nixon." I wanted to smack her!
40 posted on 03/27/2002 4:39:59 AM PST by Ditter
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