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Europe Lists U.S. Imports It Plans to Tax
Yahoo via the DRUDGE REPORT ^ | Sat Mar 23, 2:56 PM ET | By PAUL MELLER The New York Times

Posted on 03/24/2002 2:27:14 PM PST by vannrox

BRUSSELS, March 22 The European Union (news - web sites) has drawn up a list of imports from the United States, worth about $2.1 billion annually, to penalize in retaliation for the Bush administration's recent imposition of tariffs of up to 30 percent on some imported steel.


American steel, textiles and citrus fruit are among the items that would face punitive duties, officials said.


The European Union has threatened sanctions if the United States does not agree to pay compensation for its measures to protect the struggling American steel industry. Under World Trade Organization (news - web sites) rules, the union is permitted to impose sanctions as harsh as a 100 percent import tariff almost immediately, if the United States "safeguard" measures for steel cannot be justified.


The union is confident that the Americans will not be able to justify them, an official said, speaking on condition that he not be identified. But the official said rapid action was looking less likely.


Instead, he said, the union will rely on the more thoroughgoing but slower dispute- resolution system at the trade organization. Under the procedure, the trade group conducts hearings in Geneva and then rules on what sanctions the union can impose. The process takes about 18 months.


"There is a lot of frustration in European public opinion," said Pascal Lamy, the union's trade commissioner. The feeling, he said, is that "if we wait for the judge for 15 months, we are crazy or naïve or weak." He continued: "But it's a political decision on our side. I want to stay within the international rules."


Under the trade group's dispute procedure, which began this week, the union has until May 20 to submit a list of products to be sanctioned. The draft list is now being circulated among the union's member states for comments before it is submitted to the trade group.


[In Washington, an American trade official said the Bush administration had hoped that the European Union would allow the dispute-resolution process to go forward before drawing up plans for retaliation. American officials have already begun discussions with the Europeans and with other countries, including China, over the steel tariffs and demands for compensation.


["We're disappointed because we're still in the consultative phase at the W.T.O.," the American official said. Any retaliation now, he said, was "definitely premature."]


The European official who spoke about the way the union was proceeding said the list of products to be sanctioned was drafted with American domestic political impact in mind. Citrus fruit is on the list because of its importance in Florida, where the 2000 presidential vote was extremely close, the official said; steel made the list because of its importance in West Virginia and Pennsylvania, and textiles because of North and South Carolina, four important battleground states in midterm elections this year.


Separately, the union is putting final touches on protective measures for its own steel industry, which it will activate as soon as next week if it sees a risk of a surge in cheap steel diverted from the United States reaching its shores.


The union is expected to set up quotas based on average annual imports over the last two or three years, and then impose "safeguard" tariffs on imports above the quotas. The tariffs will be lower than those of the United States, the official said, because the point is to maintain current trade patterns and keep them open, not to disrupt them, as the American measures will.


The steel tariffs and threats of retaliation come as another trans-Atlantic trade dispute is also at a critical stage. The union has applied to the World Trade Organization for authority to impose $4 billion in trade sanctions on the United States to compensate for the unfair tax breaks the United States gives its exporters. Washington has said that the harm done to the union by the tax breaks is closer to $1 billion. The panel hearing the dispute is scheduled to reach a decision next month.



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To: seamole
Is steel one of those exports that is subsidized by the EU?

It would appear so, or they wouldn't react with such bluster. No rocket science here, IMHO.

21 posted on 03/24/2002 3:25:05 PM PST by toddst
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To: shaggy eel
"exactly how many more wars does the US need?"

at least as many as necessary to end the ones clinton started.

22 posted on 03/24/2002 3:36:55 PM PST by paulsy
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To: toddst
#8........The US has as many subsidies as anyone else, now if we sat down and cleared all subsidies off the deck, that would be something else, and I am all for that.
23 posted on 03/24/2002 3:39:08 PM PST by Great Dane
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To: toddst
For too long we have allowed the EU subsidize a wide range of exports to the U.S. Perhaps George W. is going to put a halt to that practice. I say he's doing the right thing.

But where do those subsidies come from? They are not free you know. In other words, they are taking money out of productive industries to pump into unproductive ones.

We win.

But now Bush has said -- Wait a second! We want to lose too.
24 posted on 03/24/2002 3:41:27 PM PST by self_evident
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To: Great Dane
#8........The US has as many subsidies as anyone else, now if we sat down and cleared all subsidies off the deck, that would be something else, and I am all for that.

I don't know whether we have equity in subsidies, but I agree with you - let's eliminate them all and let the free market REALLY work.

25 posted on 03/24/2002 3:43:55 PM PST by toddst
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To: self_evident
But now Bush has said -- Wait a second! We want to lose too.

What George W. is saying seems straightforward to me. We aren't going to subsidize everyone who trades with us. It's a new time and the rules are being changed. I don't believe tariffs are what's on our President's mind. In my opinion he's interested in getting rid of all the inappropriate arrangements we've allowed that really put the U.S. at a disadvantage in world trade.

26 posted on 03/24/2002 3:57:07 PM PST by toddst
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To: toddst;willie green
,,, don't let Mr Bush loose on any more free trade rants then.
27 posted on 03/24/2002 3:57:17 PM PST by shaggy eel
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To: shaggy eel
,,, don't let Mr Bush loose on any more free trade rants then

Sometimes it's necessary to take action, get the other sides' full and undivided attention. I do believe George W. has done just exactly that, Texas-style.

28 posted on 03/24/2002 4:05:11 PM PST by toddst
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To: toddst
,,, he's been given bad and untimely advice at a time when he's stocktaking support for a war on terrorism. Texas style needs a southern charm implant.
29 posted on 03/24/2002 4:07:59 PM PST by shaggy eel
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To: shaggy eel
I guess we're going to have to agree to disagree on this. Allies in the fight against terrorism shouldn't require suspending a demand for trade fairness, IMHO.
30 posted on 03/24/2002 4:14:22 PM PST by toddst
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To: toddst
,,, OK, I'll agree to disagree as well as soften my committment to buy US products wherever possible. I know you'll understand.
31 posted on 03/24/2002 4:32:02 PM PST by shaggy eel
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To: toddst
A few that things that should be laid out on this forum:

1. European governments have been reducing subsidies to their steel industries. As a result, their steel companies have had to cut jobs and reorganize.

2. Imports to the US have dropped to below 1997 levels. WTO rules on "safeguard measures" require that the country implementing those measures in response to an increase in imports (whether or not the US should be in the WTO is another question). And, according to the US Geological Survey, the ITC ruled that 1998 imports, which were the highest, did not do significant damage tot he US steel industry.

3. Canada and Mexico account for approximately a 1/3 of US imports, but these two nations have been exempted, which is also a violation of WTO rules, if I understand correctly. Canada, as a single country, is our single largest importer of steel.

4. The US integrated mills, for whom these tariffs have been enacted, face their stiffest competition from domestic mini-mills, not foreign imports, which only account for appreoximately a 1/4 of US steel consumption. Overall production costs of the mini-mills is cheaper - the electric melting process to the scrap steel used. Mini-mills, according one report I saw, now have a 50 percent market share.

32 posted on 03/24/2002 4:32:39 PM PST by ThJ1800
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To: seamole
Good find. The only thing is there has been no surge in imports, but I suppose the administration is assuming that most Americans will not take the time to find that out.

It is pure protectionism.

Of course, we already knew that.

33 posted on 03/24/2002 4:55:34 PM PST by ThJ1800
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To: vannrox
Europe want to sell us steel at low prices so we can by cars trucks, washers, dryers, refrigerators and so on at lower prices. And we are against that? I don't understand.
34 posted on 03/24/2002 4:58:12 PM PST by Calculus_of_Consent
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To: ThJ1800
,,, post #32 - thanx for posting that info.
35 posted on 03/24/2002 5:24:09 PM PST by shaggy eel
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To: vannrox
Thanks Bush, you stupid moron, for raising taxes. This was 100000% about politics only (West Virginia).
36 posted on 03/24/2002 5:33:19 PM PST by GuillermoX
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To: ThJ1800
A very educational post, thank you.
37 posted on 03/24/2002 5:36:25 PM PST by Great Dane
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To: Great Dane; shaggy_eel
You are both welcome.

The US Geological Survey on Iron and Steel proved to be particularly useful, as well as reports from the Financial Times.

38 posted on 03/24/2002 5:42:01 PM PST by ThJ1800
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To: ThJ1800
The US integrated mills, for whom these tariffs have been enacted, face their stiffest competition from domestic mini-mills, not foreign imports, which only account for appreoximately a 1/4 of US steel consumption. Overall production costs of the mini-mills is cheaper - the electric melting process to the scrap steel used. Mini-mills, according one report I saw, now have a 50 percent market share.

I assume this is the relevant part of your comments. Perhaps it's true. I ain't no economist.

I still wonder why the EU is howling so much about what George W. is doing. Doesn't make sense unless the EU steel producers lose some advantage they are trying to protect.

39 posted on 03/24/2002 5:44:36 PM PST by toddst
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To: vannrox
Citrus fruit is on the list because of its importance in Florida, where the 2000 presidential vote was extremely close

This is not just a trade war, it is a way the Euretards are trying to control our elections.

40 posted on 03/24/2002 5:46:17 PM PST by scouse
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