Posted on 03/24/2002 1:25:38 PM PST by Hillary's Lovely Legs
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I do and that's why I don't call myself a conservative in the sense that you apparently define it. Especially if the choice is between being conservative and being Black.
I think some white folks are sort of tired of the black "trumpet" always being tooted....that doesn't make those folks racist...just weary of being part of the oppressor class. OTOH, I understand folks who consider themselves black regardless of the purity of their black gene pool feeling a need to celebrate. I don't think either side is actually wrong but either side can be a bit shrill.
On a lighter note, the heavy set black woman who was Scarlett O'Hara's maid in GWTW...she was mentioned last night. Has anyone ever heard the rumour that she was a lesbian and that her and Tallulah Bankhead (a blueblood Bama white sybarite gal) had a lesbian affair in the late 30s. I'm not joking. NOW...that was groundbreaking from a variety of PC perspectives...LOL.
Regards MA!
To disagree is one thing but the reasons for disagreeing often go over into bashing.
Thanks.
My parents didn't attend college- they went to the School of Real Life.
Who objects to interracial marriage and mixed race children? I don't, so who are you talking about?
No it wouldn't be fair or accurate for you to say that and besides, I don't think that's what eddie willers meant.
Actually, that is my quote and it is reference to all of your posts, nobody else is referenced. It means that your view on race is one which perpetuates the belief that blacks can only accomplish or succees with help - due to their being oppressed. If one holds the views that you have stated - would it not follow that we can assume that you have accomplished all you have accomplished due to racial preferences, race based scholarships, and race based admissions?
I thought you were originally responding to a statement made by eddie willers to me.
More importantly, let me say that the above statement reflects some ignorance on your part. The fact of racial oppression throughout history does have some affect on the tools that Black people have to work with. Yet, most of us still achieve with what we have. The antidote to racial discrimination is not just race-based privileges and if you think it is then your interpretations are way off base. Despite history, a Black person can succeed on his or her own merit and doesn't necessarily need racial preferences of any kind.
The fact that I note the racial significance of Halle's and Denzel's wins last night doesn't mean that I would also automatically support racial preferences. If you think there's a connection you're wrong.
First of all, I don't claim to be conservative and what door would it get me into? If you want to talk about me then ping me OK?
I hope no one lets anything I say on FR go unchallenged - I want the feedback. Also, who's being politically correct? If anything, you seem to be into a "Racial Correctness" that has you thinking that no one Black can ever talk about race unless maybe it fits whatever you want to believe about race. Is that your problem?
That's nice but you seem to be the one that's doing the labeling.
I believe I've heard the rumor once or twice. I liked Tallulah- she had a lot of spunk.
What started out 45 years or so ago as a freedom and rights issue has now become a mantra in which if one does not personally endorse or applaud then one is smeared with the very tag one may have fought against once upon a time.
I have actually seen FReepers suggest that the only way to bring most blacks (as opposed to other races) up to the functioning level of most whites was to encourage interracial couplings and progeny in the hopes of obliterating whiteness and creating the old tired and true equal playing field. I find this type of notion condescending and paternalistic and racist in it's own way.
Why do probably 99.9% of the earth's population marry within their race and culture? Is it because the entire world is racist or is it culture? Is everyone wrong here?
Only in America is one slimed as a racist if they wish their kids to marry a girl or boy from their similar racial/ethnic/cultural tribe. Curious isn't it?
It was to this denial that blacks can be racist that I said either blacks or whites who object to interracial marriage and mixed race children are racists. I didn't say YOU objected, but we know that there are people of all races who object to "mixing."
Why the heck not?!
Since this is my first chance to encounter your posts, just wondering what are the issues or reasons that you don't consider yourself conservative. From your webpage it seems you share many of the same beliefs.
I'm sorry but your absolutism that one has to adhere to all the holy canons of what passes for enlightenment in race issues today rings hollow for me. I see nothing whatsoever wrong with wishing my children to continue the heritage that has preceded them racially, ethically, or religiouly.....and in my case it's rather broad.
I suppose your views would make nearly all Jews racists as well?
Racism is about a hell of a lot more than who one prefers their children to marry. It's about superiority, hatred (damn I hate resorting to that word), political subjugation, discrimination (another overused word).....etc.
I guess we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one and you may think of me as racist if it makes you feel better. Isn't that what drives altruistic thinking anyway. Feeling better about oneself. Guess we'll have to ask Julia Roberts...LOL.
For what it's worth, I thought Denzel's performance was worth an Oscar. I didn't see Berry's performance because that sort of movie depresses me. I've heard from others whose opinion I respect that Halle Berry was terrific. If Berry were up against Julia Roberts for her lame cutsey portrayal of Erin Brockovich during last year's Academy Awards, it's pretty obvious who would have won. (Roberts!)
Yeah, Berry's acceptance speech was not the greatest, (I don't think she really believed that she would win, hence her rambling) but Julia Robert's 2001 egotistical, way-too-long speech was rude and self-serving. For crying out loud, Roberts didn't even thank the gal who brought her there--the REAL Erin Brockovich! At least Halle Berry realized the moment for what it was. Even though Halle didn't mention her name, (spur of the moment lapse, perhaps) can't you just see Hattie McDaniel smiling down from Heaven? I can. (And, no, I don't believe that Hattie was a lesbian or a commie because she donated her Oscar to Brown University unless proved otherwise.)
Cheers.
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