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More on the H-1B scam -- corporate welfare designed to displace American workers at taxpayers expense ...
1 posted on 02/04/2002 6:15:27 PM PST by JoeMomma
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2 posted on 02/04/2002 6:19:02 PM PST by JoeMomma
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To: JoeMomma
Thank you for posting this!
3 posted on 02/04/2002 6:24:33 PM PST by Helix
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To: JoeMomma
More evidence of America going towards a service economy will feeding on cheap labor...
5 posted on 02/04/2002 6:26:25 PM PST by Rain-maker
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To: JoeMomma
What's with the statement, "Consistent Liberal", under the photo of Mr. Reich? I mean, isn't talking about the corruption of the H-1B Visa scam a Conservative position?
6 posted on 02/04/2002 6:28:45 PM PST by FreedomFriend
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To: JoeMomma
FYI

A petition, For a Responsible Immigration Policy, has been started. Check it out.
7 posted on 02/04/2002 6:32:13 PM PST by TomGuy
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To: JoeMomma
You've posted a lot on the H-1B. I'm just wondering if you're in the computer industry?

I started out majoring in Computer Science and got as far as Programming in C but then Congress increased H-1B visas and I said goodbye to it. They're encouraging Americans NOT to take Computer Engineering with these policies, but try to get them to understand that. They could care less.

8 posted on 02/04/2002 6:33:32 PM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: JoeMomma
Industry likes to tell the public that they need to bring in foreign workers because of a so-called "labor shortage." But the very concept of a labor shortage is a sophistry that has no place in free-market economics. Economics teaches that in a free market there are never shortages of anything, only things whose price, as set by supply and demand, is higher than some person wishes to pay.

Okay I will bite. Where is the data to support this? If there are hundreds of thousands of Americans with the proper skills and who are fluent in the computer languages that Microsoft and other H-1B hirers are looking for why isnt there rampant unemployment in the computer programming field?

If someone is fluent in Cobol and the company is looking for someone who is fluent in some other language, then the individual is unqualified for the position. Its just like showing up for interview to be a Japaneese interpreter and only know English and Spanish.

From the article it sounded as though the author expected the companies to hire and then train Americans in the computer language and how to do the task that they want completed. Sorry that wont wash. Potential employees are responsible for their own education. Why should a company teach a potential employee how to make a living so that guy can then go across the street and sell his new skill for even more money. No way. You want the job, you show up qualified for it.

This whole rant over H-1B is idiotic. If Microsoft and others cant bring in workers to do the work here, they can have it outsourced to firms in India and Singapore who would be happy to do it and they wont even pay US taxes. Its a global economy. Better get used to it. Get a skill someone is willing to pay more than minimum wage for or suffer the consequences.

17 posted on 02/04/2002 7:03:57 PM PST by Dave S
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To: JoeMomma
Industry likes to tell the public that they need to bring in foreign workers because of a so-called "labor shortage." But the very concept of a labor shortage is a sophistry that has no place in free-market economics. Economics teaches that in a free market there are never shortages of anything, only things whose price, as set by supply and demand, is higher than some person wishes to pay.

Okay I will bite. Where is the data to support this? If there are hundreds of thousands of Americans with the proper skills and who are fluent in the computer languages that Microsoft and other H-1B hirers are looking for why isnt there rampant unemployment in the computer programming field?

If someone is fluent in Cobol and the company is looking for someone who is fluent in some other language, then the individual is unqualified for the position. Its just like showing up for interview to be a Japaneese interpreter and only know English and Spanish.

From the article it sounded as though the author expected the companies to hire and then train Americans in the computer language and how to do the task that they want completed. Sorry that wont wash. Potential employees are responsible for their own education. Why should a company teach a potential employee how to make a living so that guy can then go across the street and sell his new skill for even more money. No way. You want the job, you show up qualified for it.

This whole rant over H-1B is idiotic. If Microsoft and others cant bring in workers to do the work here, they can have it outsourced to firms in India and Singapore who would be happy to do it and they wont even pay US taxes. Its a global economy. Better get used to it. Get a skill someone is willing to pay more than minimum wage for or suffer the consequences.

18 posted on 02/04/2002 7:05:15 PM PST by Dave S
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To: JoeMomma
Industry likes to tell the public that they need to bring in foreign workers because of a so-called "labor shortage." But the very concept of a labor shortage is a sophistry that has no place in free-market economics. Economics teaches that in a free market there are never shortages of anything, only things whose price, as set by supply and demand, is higher than some person wishes to pay.

Okay I will bite. Where is the data to support this? If there are hundreds of thousands of Americans with the proper skills and who are fluent in the computer languages that Microsoft and other H-1B hirers are looking for why isnt there rampant unemployment in the computer programming field?

If someone is fluent in Cobol and the company is looking for someone who is fluent in some other language, then the individual is unqualified for the position. Its just like showing up for interview to be a Japaneese interpreter and only know English and Spanish.

From the article it sounded as though the author expected the companies to hire and then train Americans in the computer language and how to do the task that they want completed. Sorry that wont wash. Potential employees are responsible for their own education. Why should a company teach a potential employee how to make a living so that guy can then go across the street and sell his new skill for even more money. No way. You want the job, you show up qualified for it.

This whole rant over H-1B is idiotic. If Microsoft and others cant bring in workers to do the work here, they can have it outsourced to firms in India and Singapore who would be happy to do it and they wont even pay US taxes. Its a global economy. Better get used to it. Get a skill someone is willing to pay more than minimum wage for or suffer the consequences.

19 posted on 02/04/2002 7:06:12 PM PST by Dave S
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To: JoeMomma
More on the H-1B scam -- corporate welfare designed to displace American workers at taxpayers expense ...

I agree. Thanks for posting this article.

21 posted on 02/04/2002 7:28:46 PM PST by WRhine
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To: JoeMomma
The emerging pattern in American society has a sinister resemblance to the decadent sheikdoms of the Gulf, which can't pump their own oil without massive foreign labor: Americans handle the financial and marketing side of things while we let foreigners do the engineering and the hard stuff. The national-security implications alone are chilling.

This is the emerging pattern and it does not portend good things for the future. Hey, I'm all for cutting regulation and taxes on business (like no taxes at all on business) but I don't think our government should be in the foreign recruitment business when the welfare of its citizens should be its primary goal. After all isn’t this what we pay taxes for?

32 posted on 02/04/2002 7:50:38 PM PST by WRhine
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To: JoeMomma
A very timely article. In Detroit over the last year we have lost about 75,000 engineering and technical jobs, nearly all of them from middle aged, middle level, typically white, males. The only resort they have is temporary contract work, competing with the H1-Bs directly. Their retirement is gone, their kids education consist of night school at community college, they cannot get decent insurance as their health fails and they are destined to live out the remains of their lives doing these temporary jobs.
BUT!
The Crap filled management, like the ex Ford CEO Nasser and his hero Jack Welch, pride themselves in how much money they have saved the company by screwing as many people as they can get their hands on. And the poor H1-B saps are just useful idiots in this sick game.
45 posted on 02/04/2002 8:23:49 PM PST by det dweller too
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To: JoeMomma; all
I will tell you what is bad for America,

Those pathetic buildings (public and private) that we pass off for schools that are nothing more than glorified daycares and about as capable of preparing American youth for the global economy as Jerry Springer,

Universities that are to pre-occupied with doing corporate research and subsidizing it that it has become to expensive for most families to put their children through university for professional degree (If Bayer wants to give Guinea Pigs Herpes, they can do it with their own money)

America has to import so many professionals because we can't produce our own. I have many H1-B's on my staff because I NEED THEM.

You hear so much about the scores of unemployed skilled workers, okay lets have a look at these unemployed people, most of them are obsolete or .com refugees

If you are obsolete that isn't my problem, you might be a great FORTRAN developer, but we don't use Fortran and have not used it for quite some time.

As for the .com brats, don't get me started on this group of primadonnas... try don't seem to have any conception of how things work in the real world, $40,000 and full benefits for entry level information technology is very competitive. And these punks look at me like I just propositioned them. Mr.Purple Goatee doesn't understand in the real world you don't get paid $80,000 a year to make web pages and expect them to come to work before 2:00 in the afternoon!

America has to make a choice, we can continue with our international discrace of an education system and continue to let our publically funded universities subsidize a trillion dollar industry and in a few generations we will look like a British Colony in the 19th Century as a result of making it impossible for American youth to have a competitive education.

In the 21st Century we are educating American youth the same way we did in the 19th Century? am I the only one who sees a problem with this?

If you don't like H1-B visas then pull your kids out of school and send them to a country that knows how to educate their children

Contrary to popular belief companies do not save money with H1-B visa's, it costs a fortune to bring a person over here, we do it because we don't have a choice.

If You Think Education Is Expensive, Try Ignorance

61 posted on 02/04/2002 9:56:34 PM PST by ContentiousObjector
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BTTT Thanks for the post, JoeMomma. (Best be putting on your flame proof undies-the C's will be after you!)
62 posted on 02/04/2002 9:56:56 PM PST by brat
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H-1B Hall of Shame

Lies of Immigration Lawyers

73 posted on 02/05/2002 7:39:45 AM PST by EdReform
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"MORE H1-B VISAS; FEWER PROBLEMS?"

"Re: visa fraud and abuse"

75 posted on 02/05/2002 8:07:10 AM PST by EdReform
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To: JoeMomma
H1 B bad for Republicans too!! Take a look at the countries that fill most of the H1 B programs. They where all taking money from Russia till the wall came down. They all think that the state has a better idea. India was afraid of KFC. Is this who we want voting in our next election? Any idea why so much of the Calif vote goes to Dems? Half the new voting folks are H1B. Better get this fixed.

If I was running an advertisement on education I'd show all the silicon valley millionaires that came here, with an education in Pakistan or India that cost a lot less than in LA. Then, I'd ask out of work high school grads what is the difference in the education in india and in LA? The retail republican

80 posted on 02/05/2002 11:03:03 AM PST by q_an_a
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