Posted on 01/27/2002 8:48:53 AM PST by moodyskeptic
I'll half agree here. Dose the Junta family need to be without a father for ten years because his trial became a movie of the week?
Half agree? Three parts to the statement. Please explain!
1. Sports parents can be loud jerks, I agree, and have always been the loner parent off to the side, shutting my mouth.
2. Some parents errupt into fight-pickers. I hate those people.
3. This has very little to do with the Junta/Costin tragedy. The press should not have spun this as an indictment on Sports Parents.
4. This became a revenge motif on Big Bullys. Big or little, bullys eventually run into karma.
Such talk is dangerous. It gives women (and sometimes small men) a false sense of security.
What happens when your quick blow misses? Normally, such a move requires the element of surprise. If he is the aggressor (if not, why are you hitting him?) you will not have surprise on your side.
I've talked to women who are confident they can easily disable a man just by using their knee to his groin. They don't realize that guarding against this move is about the first thing a man learns on the playground in elementary school.
Although your basic premise is correct. The weaker person's only hope is all-out attack aimed at disabling the other. Defensive moves are totally useless. The longer the fight lasts the greater the odds against the smaller person become.
People are failing to distinguish between the two fighters in the same way they can't distinguish between the actions of the Palis and Israelis.
BTW, I heard the poor "victim" was a wife beater.
I've broken up plenty of fights, both while LEO and afterwards. You're right, it is difficult. In the context of this story though that is besides the point. The point of law is that Junta continued to pound "the little guy" long after he had him under control. That is what the jury heard. That is what makes it manslaughter. That is why Junta is in prison.
The question of whether or not his kids deserve to be without their dad for ten years is irrelevant. The prisons are full of dads who are paying the price for their criminal actions. The real question is; Does Junta deserve to be in prison? The answer is yes.
You and I were probably raised with the same sense of ethic and justice. Something about this case seems to be touching an emotional, rather than an objective nerve with you. We all experience this over certain issues. This is understandable. The law however is clear.
"stop saying that!"
FMCDH
Half agree? Three parts to the statement. Please explain!
Sorry, I'll be clearer. I don't think that Junta was any where near as out of control as Costin was. Costin was hotter, meaner, more insistant and more devious in his attacks. In this sense, Costin was "more wrong". But, yes, I heartily agree that Costin did not deserve to die. Like many deaths, his death was tragic, but not exactly murderous.
I am disturbed by the fact that Costin had a serious record for violent crime. 30 arrests, 7 terms in prison or jail for up to 15 months, including felony assault on a police officer. Junta had no such history.
In the real world, stupidity is a capital crime. Maybe Costin just ran out of luck.
I don't know how viciously Junta bounced Costin's head off the ice, whether or not Costin was unconscious at the time, nor if those blows were the fatal ones. It seems to me that all of those things should be taken into consideration. But I do know this: in the middle of what you might perceive to be a life-and-death struggle, you ARE NOT obligated to take the advice of the nearest hysterical woman.
Not that they were using firearms in the Princess Bride.
Costin asks about that night 27 years ago when he says he accidentally killed his son during a fight. He ponders the loss of his second son, who was fatally beaten by a man after their sons' hockey practice a year and a half ago.
"What are the odds of a father having two sons dying the way my two sons died?" Costin asked. "About a billion to one."
"Why (God) did this, I'll know someday," he added.
Costin is full of conflicting emotions as he awaits the sentencing next week of Thomas Junta, who was convicted of killing son Michael Costin in the hockey fight. That's because Costin himself was convicted of manslaughter in the beating of his other son, Dennis.
Costin sees Junta's sentencing January 25 as a chance to put one chapter behind him.
Costin said Junta must go to jail for what he did, but he's not calling for a long sentence. During the trial, he approached Junta and said he forgave him. Junta could get anywhere from probation to 20 years.
"I'm leaving it up to the judge," Costin said. "Whatever comes down, let's accept it."
Today, Costin, 68, lives alone in an apartment near downtown Lynn, the Boston-area suburb where he was born.
The bald and solidly built man talks expansively and tends to ramble, his throat narrowing and eyes filling with tears when the subject turns to his sons, his estranged wife and daughter, the grandchildren he can no longer see, and how things got to be the way they are.
The former Raytheon technician married his wife, Joan, in 1957 and their two boys were born soon after.
Both sons developed drinking problems. The deadly confrontation between Costin and his son Dennis started when the son came home drunk, the father said.
Costin said he grabbed a hunting knife from under his son's pillow during the fight. He said the younger Costin rushed him in their kitchen, running into the knife. The knife pierced Dennis through the heart.
After Gus Costin's 1976 conviction, he said, he was sentenced to six months in a work release program. He thought his family understood the death was an accident, but his marriage fell apart, and his relationship with Michael was severely strained.
Costin's former wife, Joan, declined comment. His daughter, Mary Barbuzzi, would not discuss specifics about the family, except to say, "The information he gives you is inaccurate. He isn't considered a part of this family and hasn't been for a while."
Michael Costin grew up to have numerous run-ins with the law, costing him custody of his four children for several years. He had seven prison stints between 1983 and 1995 on charges of breaking and entering, drunken driving and assaulting a police officer. He also spent time in psychiatric hospitals.
But his family said he was a good father and had been sober when he was killed by Junta.
Gus Costin, who for a time had custody of Michael's sons, Brendan and Michael, agreed that his son was turning his life around, but added he wasn't convinced he was ready to be a father.
His fight for custody of the boys further alienated Michael. He said he didn't even find out Michael had been hurt in the fight with Junta until after he died.
Now, a restraining order taken against him for allegedly threatening his former wife -- which Costin denies -- means he can't see the grandchildren.
Costin says the separation from the children is devastating. His refrigerator is covered with school papers from the boys. His walls are plastered with their pictures. He keeps their room as a sort of shrine, their posters and sports trophies all in place.
Costin said he sees the grandsons as God's replacements for the sons he lost, and said he'll keep fighting to see them "until they throw dirt on me." Several times in a recent interview, he mistakenly used his grandson's name, Brendan, when talking about his son Dennis.
Costin said he's saddened that he never got the chance to make peace with Michael. But he hopes death has resolved any doubts Michael had about Dennis' killing.
"Michael is with Dennis now. Michael knows now that I never meant any harm," Costin said. "If he ever had any doubts, now he knows the truth. ...In my heart, I'm sure he knew I loved him."
You are right, it's too close to me. I've been jumped and kept my cool, but it was unbelievably HARD to do. The adrenalin pump was downright scary. I hardly recognized myself as I was fending off suckerpunches and talking calmly. Later, when the cops dropped me off a safe distance, my heart was still pounding, and I realized how close I'd come to throwing my adult life away.
People, it happens quickly, and you shouldn't criticize too easily unless you've lived it.
You are obligated not to keep pounding someone until he is dead. That is what Junta did. That is what the multiple witnesses testified. That is what the jury heard. That is what the defense could not dispute. That is what makes it manslaughter. That is why Junta is where he should be.
Smaller men like myself aren't completely helpless however. I've never actually lost a fight unless I was outnumbered. I attribute this to the complete lack of training on the part of everyone I've ever fought on the street. I discovered that very few people in the real world have any defense against a low side kick to the knee.
However, that doesn't belie your point. The larger man has the advantage, every time. Luckily, I live in Texas, and I'm rarely without my Spiderco Harpy (truly wicked knife) even in a bar, and most of the time I'm carrying a .45acp, because I don't believe in equality. I want superior firepower.
This latter part isn't directed towards you, but to others in the thread. I'm somewhat surprised to see the complete contempt that many hold for smaller men. The list of perjoratives I've read from "banty rooster" to "little Napolean" really say it all. Nary a mention of the now grown up school yard bully who still likes to throw his weight around.
You guys are cracking me up. That is one of my all-time favorites and I was happy when my kids grew old enough to watch it with me. There are so many great lines in that movie, but I liked it when Andre says, "I don't even work out!" The "prepare to die" line is a classic.
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