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Armour for North London Police
This is London.com ^ | 18 Jan 2002 | Justin Davenport

Posted on 01/18/2002 7:27:36 AM PST by white trash redneck

Armour for north London police

by Justin Davenport Crime Correspondent

Scotland Yard has ordered police in north London to wear bullet-proof vests at all times because of soaring gun crime - the first time such an order has been made in mainland Britain.

Officers in Haringey have been told protective armour should be worn on the streets even on routine patrols after a dramatic rise in the number of firearms offences.

In the past 12 weeks there were 300 emergency calls in Haringey in relation to alleged firearms, 109 of these resulted in evidence of guns being used or seen.

Bob Elder, chairman of the Police Federation's constables' branch, who is based at Haringey, said: "My colleagues are increasingly worried. In Haringey there are 999 calls about firearms activity on an almost daily basis.

"There is a heightened awareness of firearms issues in boroughs such as Haringey and Hackney and there is now a directive that officers should wear body armour on operational duty as a health and safety issue.

"We have pretty strong gun laws in this country but they do not seem to be having any effect."

At present, officers in the Met are not obliged to wear body armour except at times of greater risk. In practice more and more officers are opting to wear it.

The news comes as police seized a deadly Mac 10 submachine gun and uncovered a firearms factory in Haringey at the weekend.

The US-made Mac 10, capable of firing 20 rounds a second, was seized in a raid on a flat in Bounds Green. Police also found 100 rounds of ammunition. Two men aged 21 have been charged with firearms offences.

In a separate operation police found what they described as a firearms "reactivation" factory in Tottenham. In a flat in Ingleborough Court police found vices, metal gun barrels and other weapons-making paraphernalia.

Haringey police are working closely with the Operation Trident squad which investigates gangsters in the crack cocaine trade.

Borough police commander Stephen James said: "I am delighted by the success of these operations, which have disrupted the access to firearms by criminals. I know the use and recovery of firearms in London is now almost routine."


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Another example of the smashing success that has been accomplished in the UK by banning legal private ownership of firearms.
1 posted on 01/18/2002 7:27:37 AM PST by white trash redneck
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To: white trash redneck
>"We have pretty strong gun laws in this country but they do not seem to be having any effect."
2 posted on 01/18/2002 7:37:31 AM PST by Dialup Llama
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To: tonycavanagh,madivan,bang_list
I find it rather insane that cops will be given kevlar vests but not firearms.
3 posted on 01/18/2002 7:41:27 AM PST by Travis McGee
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To: white trash redneck

4 posted on 01/18/2002 7:45:42 AM PST by B Knotts
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To: Travis McGee
I find it rather insane that cops will be given kevlar vests but not firearms.

More police are armed than you would think, about a decade or more so ago, it was only a specialist unit called the blue berets today, each station has a armed backup force.

A female friend of mine is in the Blue Berets she was on one of the front pages.

She is only a small little thing but tough as old boots, ex army.

Cheers Tony

5 posted on 01/18/2002 7:46:55 AM PST by tonycavanagh
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To: white trash redneck; bang_list
"We have pretty strong gun laws in this country but they do not seem to be having any effect." Actuakky this is wrong the gun laws are having the exact effect one could expect. Law abiding citizens are disarmed and the criminals msee this as an amazing opportunity.

Stay well - Stay safe - Stay armed - Yorktown

6 posted on 01/18/2002 7:46:59 AM PST by harpseal
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To: tonycavanagh
You guys need private citizen ownership of firearms, and conceal carry permits. It is the only thing that will put some fear into criminals.
7 posted on 01/18/2002 7:48:18 AM PST by Lazamataz
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To: tonycavanagh
Let's do some Brit bashing

Just kidding. You can't buy guns in England (and, I know, don't want to anyway and it's all part of the war on drugs), but can you legally buy a kevlar vest, or are these reserved to government agents too?

8 posted on 01/18/2002 7:50:39 AM PST by from occupied ga
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To: white trash redneck
re : Another example of the smashing success that has been accomplished in the UK by banning legal private ownership of firearms.

Well what it is, is zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz, snort what sorry fell asleep there, what I mean to say is zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

Sorry fell asleep again.

Probably because we have this debate twice a week, and each time British freepers like myself come on to thiszzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

Snigger fell asleep again.

Oh bollox who cares what ever you write we ignore and what ever we write you ignore, and it ends with us Brit freepers dominating the thread and telling yank jokes.

Cheers Tony

9 posted on 01/18/2002 7:50:39 AM PST by tonycavanagh
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To: white trash redneck
"We have pretty strong gun laws in this country but they do not seem to be having any effect."

The Brits are just now figuring this out? I thought Europeans were supposed to be so much smarter, and so much more sophisticated than us Yanks? You're on the right track Brits! More Guns= Less Crime

10 posted on 01/18/2002 7:52:20 AM PST by Destructor
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To: from occupied ga
re : legally buy a kevlar vest.

I think you can, one of my mates also an ex serviceman para.

Well he had a real nasty job, hunting down real dangerous mental patients who had absconded.

These were real nutters who tried to stab him, so he got one of these vests but I cant remember if it was legal or illegal.

Cheers Tony

11 posted on 01/18/2002 7:54:01 AM PST by tonycavanagh
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To: tonycavanagh
Hey, we haven't even gotten to British public hospitals or the fact that you'd be speaking German if it wasn't for us gun toting Yanks saving your butts. Give this thread a chance, we are just getting warmed up!

CHEERS MATE!

12 posted on 01/18/2002 7:57:39 AM PST by Travis McGee
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To: Lazamataz
re : You guys need private citizen ownership of firearms, and conceal carry permits. It is the only thing that will put some fear into criminals.

I agree.

But lets turn this around, lets say that instead of a revolution you left the empire peacefully, lets say you never had the second amendment, and you never had a need for guns before just like Britain.

Lets say after a long period of unarmed criminals suddenly due to drug wars the criminals suddenly started to arm them self’s.

How soon would your establishment react in allowing civilians to arm them self’s.

Think carefully and think everything you know about governments before you answer this.

Cheers Tony

13 posted on 01/18/2002 7:58:31 AM PST by tonycavanagh
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To: tonycavanagh
Thanks for the info - Doubt your pal got it at Marks & Spencer though.
14 posted on 01/18/2002 7:59:07 AM PST by from occupied ga
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To: Travis McGee
re : Hey, we haven't even gotten to British public hospitals or the fact that you'd be speaking German if it wasn't for us gun toting Yanks saving your butts. Give this thread a chance, we are just getting warmed up!.

LOL I know is my face red or what I stumbled in onto this thread too early.

Cheers Tony

15 posted on 01/18/2002 8:00:13 AM PST by tonycavanagh
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To: tonycavanagh
Excellent reply. I know full well what would happen in that scenerio, and you're absolutely correct in pointing it out.

BTW, could you tell us a yank joke?

16 posted on 01/18/2002 8:03:34 AM PST by freeeee
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To: white trash redneck
This is right-wing propaganda: there are no guns in England. They were banned.
17 posted on 01/18/2002 8:05:26 AM PST by Psycho_Bunny
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To: from occupied ga
I would not have taken his job not for any money, once this nutter and two of his mates tried to hold him down for not very nice reasons.

He fought them of , luckily he was a very big guy, he said when he saw the size of the ahem, it helped him to redouble his efforts to escape.

Cheers Tony

18 posted on 01/18/2002 8:06:19 AM PST by tonycavanagh
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To: freeeee,jjbrouwer
re : BTW, could you tell us a yank joke?

Paging jj

Unless he is down the pub already it being Friday and all that.

Cheers Tony

19 posted on 01/18/2002 8:08:40 AM PST by tonycavanagh
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To: white trash redneck
"We have pretty strong gun laws in this country but they do not seem to be having any effect."

Gee. You mean criminals don't obey the law??? I'm *SHOCKED*, simply SHOCKED, I tell you! Where are my smelling salts...?

20 posted on 01/18/2002 8:09:10 AM PST by Henrietta
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