[tonycavanagh]

re : You guys need private citizen ownership of firearms, and conceal carry permits. It is the only thing that will put some fear into criminals.

I agree.

But lets turn this around, lets say that instead of a revolution you left the empire peacefully, lets say you never had the second amendment, and you never had a need for guns before just like Britain.

Lets say after a long period of unarmed criminals suddenly due to drug wars the criminals suddenly started to arm them self’s.

How soon would your establishment react in allowing civilians to arm them self’s.

Think carefully and think everything you know about governments before you answer this.

Cheers Tony

[freeeee]

Excellent reply. I know full well what would happen in that scenerio, and you're absolutely correct in pointing it out.

BTW, could you tell us a yank joke?

[FreePaul]

lets say that instead of a revolution you left the empire peacefully

That would be a real stretch. The reason for leaving was the repressive government. The only way to leave or change is revolution. Maybe you and your fellows should be working on your plans for freedom from a repressive government. We have our problems but we are fighting to retain our freedom constantly.

[junta]

We have heard your "drug war" theory quite a bit, but how about the 19 year old girl who took a bullet in the head for her cell phone does that constitute a drug war casualty?

[marktwain]

But lets turn this around, lets say that instead of a revolution you left the empire peacefully, lets say you never had the second amendment, and you never had a need for guns before just like Britain.

I am generally sympathetic to your arguments, Tony. You are quite rational. However, I am not so sure that your premises in the above are all quite right. Our second amendment derives from British law, and Britains certainly had need of personal weapons in the past. It is only since the 1920's that weapon ownership was restricted to any significant amount, and that was because of the British ruling class fearing an armed revolution. The statists in Britain have been quite sucessful in convincing the British populace that being armed is uncivilized, which makes them much easier to rule. Perhaps that is what you are hinting at here.

After all, the Swiss are as peacefull as the British, they haven't had the "need" for guns either, but they certainly have kept themselves as an armed society. (unfortunately , the Swiss system is seriously under attack since they gave women the vote)

[packrat01]

But lets turn this around, lets say that instead of a revolution you left the empire peacefully, lets say you never had the second amendment, and you never had a need for guns before just like Britain.

But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

Kinda hard to leave the party with a boot on ones neck. No hard feelings, we hope.

If so, you might get over it. Some day.