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Thickening West Antarctic ice cools fears of global warming
AP via Seattle Post Intelligencer ^ | January 18, 2002 | RANDOLPH E. SCHMID

Posted on 01/18/2002 12:34:58 AM PST by sarcasm

WASHINGTON -- New measurements show the ice in West Antarctica is thickening, reversing earlier estimates that the sheet was melting.

Scientists concerned about global warming had worried that higher temperatures could melt the massive ice sheet, causing a rise in sea levels worldwide.

But new flow measurements for the Ross ice streams, using special satellite-based radars, show that movement of some of the ice streams has slowed or halted, allowing the ice to thicken, according to a paper in today's issue of the journal Science.

If the thickening is not merely part of some short-term fluctuation, it represents a reversal of the long retreat of the ice, say researchers Ian Joughin of the California Institute of Technology and Slawek Tulaczyk of the University of California-Santa Cruz.

Their finding comes less than a week after a separate paper in Nature reported that Antarctica's harsh desert valleys -- long considered a bellwether for global climate change -- have grown noticeably cooler since the mid-1980s.

Air temperatures recorded continuously over a 14-year period ending in 1999 declined by about 1 degree Fahrenheit in the polar deserts and across the White Continent, that paper said.

The cooling defies a trend spanning more than 100 years in which average land surface temperatures have increased worldwide by about 1 degree Fahrenheit. The scientists said Antarctica is the only continent that is cooling. They could not say why.

In their paper, Joughin and Tulaczyk suggest the West Antarctic ice streams may be undergoing the same transition from shrinking to growing that appears to have occurred on a neighboring stream 150 years ago. The results, they add, suggest a reduced threat of the feared massive collapse of the ice field.

"Perhaps, after 10,000 years of retreat from the ice-age maximum, researchers turned on their instruments just in time to catch the stabilization or readvance of the ice sheet," Richard Alley of Pennsylvania State University wrote in a commentary accompanying the Science paper.

But he warned that coastal property owners should not become too optimistic about the findings, since the instrumental record is short and coastal ice streams have changed periodically over the centuries.


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1 posted on 01/18/2002 12:34:58 AM PST by sarcasm
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To: sarcasm
This will most probably be dismissed as junk science by the global warming cabal.
2 posted on 01/18/2002 12:39:51 AM PST by set the record straight
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To: set the record straight
Everything in God's creation runs in cycles, and the design of nature is self-curing. They just started studying it at the wrong time. They'll learn. Volcanoes put out more harmful greenhouse gasses than humans could in 10 years.

It's not like we could really, truly do something about it anyway.

I remember last year there was great surprise when scientists found that one of the major causes of the increase in temperatures was due to the sun.

amazing.

3 posted on 01/18/2002 1:14:31 AM PST by ImaGraftedBranch
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To: sarcasm
Saw an info babe on CNN Headline News the other day and she slyly referred to the information as meaning the earth is NOT warming!!! Her comment warmed the cockles of my heart!!!

Hope she isn't immediately relocated to some remote outpost at CNN!!! Be really really nice if she took the place of Judy Woofwoof, IMO!!!

4 posted on 01/18/2002 3:40:19 AM PST by OldFriend
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To: set the record straight
This will most probably be dismissed as junk science by the global warming cabal.

Correct. This simply can not be true in the eyes of Gorebull Warmers because it does not support the doctrine. Gorebull Warming is a cult, not science. This study will be attacked viciously.

5 posted on 01/18/2002 3:46:41 AM PST by Always Right
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From Still Waiting for Greenhouse

Antarctic Cooling in a `Warming' World (15 Jan 2002)

A new paper in Nature by no less than 13 authors has been reported widely in the world's media. It begins - " Climate models generally predict amplified warming in polar regions". This is the one consistent feature of all the climate models and of the basic theory about greenhouse warming itself - the polar regions take the brunt of the warming. However, on the ground, that has not been happening. Instead of warming, the Antarctic continent has been cooling over the last 35 years in complete defiance of what the theory says should happen. The authors continue - " our spatial analysis of Antarctic meteorological data demonstrates a net cooling on the Antarctic continent between 1966 and 2000, particularly during summer and autumn. The McMurdo Dry Valleys have cooled by 0.7 °C per decade between 1986 and 2000, with similar pronounced seasonal trends."

None of this is news to the climatological community as the weather station records from the Antarctic continent have been readily available to anyone. (This website has temperature graphs from many such stations in the `What the Stations Say' page). What is new is that it is only now that the general public are being informed via the journals and the media. The IPCC and the environmentalists have for years kept the public focus only on a tiny area of the Antarctic, the Antarctic Peninsula, a mere 2% of the total area of the continent. That little area has been warming, mainly due to its interaction with the Southern Ocean, but the other massive 98% of the continent has been cooling, something the greenhouse industry has carefully ignored. Now it has been finally made public via Nature and the media outlets which quickly picked up the story.

One consequence of this cooling has been loss of biological productivity, with soil invertebrates declining by 10% annually. The authors of the paper then laid down a challenge to the climate models which predict polar warming, not the cooling we have actually had - " Continental Antarctic cooling, especially the seasonality of cooling, poses challenges to models of climate and ecosystem change."

The greenhouse modellers have a lot of explaining to do before they can expect whole societies to undergo an economically impoverishing culture shift in deference to a theory which is so patently wrong on one of its key pillars.

6 posted on 01/18/2002 3:50:16 AM PST by Always Right
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To: OldFriend
It alway amazes me at the effort people go through to control a dynamic systems like weather. The weather will behave as it was intended - without humans in control. This is just one of probably millions of examples of how scientists have no clue to the workings of global weather. Any warming and/or cooling is probably statistical noise. If you are looking for a trend you will find a trend. It doesn't mean that it was actually there.
7 posted on 01/18/2002 3:53:05 AM PST by Dutch Boy
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To: Dutch Boy
Actually just about 99.44% of what we hear on TV is statistical noise......and that includes FNC unfortunately, except Brit Hume!
8 posted on 01/18/2002 4:01:14 AM PST by OldFriend
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To: OldFriend
Speaking of "Judy Woofwoof", I was watching CNN the other day (hey, I was bored) and this cute, young info babe anchor-type said "now back to Judy." But then they went to a commercial and it was for Gateway with that big cow! Timing is everything!
9 posted on 01/18/2002 4:02:40 AM PST by Contra
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To: sarcasm
"Perhaps, after 10,000 years of retreat from the ice-age maximum, researchers turned on their instruments just in time to catch the stabilization or readvance of the ice sheet," Richard Alley of Pennsylvania State University wrote in a commentary accompanying the Science paper.

I have experience with Mr. Alley - he's a rabid liberal. I'd be curious to read the remainder of his commentary, as this sounds supportive of the study's findings.

10 posted on 01/18/2002 4:06:01 AM PST by NittanyLion
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To: Always Right
This will most probably be dismissed as junk science by the global warming cabal.
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Not so!. It just proves that the impending "industrial ice age" is even more dangerous than the global warming we've been warned about. The solution, of course, is to shut down the factories that are spewing forth noxious polutants that are blocking the sun's life giving warmth.
11 posted on 01/18/2002 4:13:26 AM PST by night reader
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AAAAAAaaahhhhhhgh! The Ice Age is coming, the Ice Age is coming!!! We better spend billions of tax dollars to do studies to back up legislation with which to punish industries and impose steep fines, draining billions from the economy.

More SUVs, more styrofoam containers, better refrigerant, we have to reverse what we were told to do in yesterday's fearfest - quickly, there's no time to waste. Panic in the other direction everybody, PANIC!

12 posted on 01/18/2002 4:14:51 AM PST by Wm Bach
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This is not good news. Since I live in the northeast I am on record as being enthusiasticly in favor of global warming. I think the government should do all in it's power to support global warming. We must redouble our efforts. Write your congresscritter. Buy an SUV. Do something!! I freezing up here!!!
13 posted on 01/18/2002 4:27:30 AM PST by mc5cents
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To: Wm Bach
Time to dust off all those Y2K generators.
14 posted on 01/18/2002 4:28:41 AM PST by Drawsing
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Time to dust off all those Y2K generators.

I have a battery powered generator. The battery runs the generator which charges the battery. It is very efficent but, sadly, not very practical as it can only supply power to itself. I do feel very good about myself however by saving the environment.

15 posted on 01/18/2002 4:49:10 AM PST by mc5cents
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To: night reader
Heck I have a solution we can get ourselves some seal skin coats with polar bear collars and eat whale meat under our whale fat latern's. Life will be great and we can use those tanning beds when we need a tan. Maybe we can put some space communities on the moon. Then we could really get alot of sun. (hahahahahaha we rule)
16 posted on 01/18/2002 5:00:32 AM PST by Baseballguy
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To: mc5cents
Global warming would mean lower energy costs too and more growing time for crops....but alas and alack....Mother Nature has her own plans.
17 posted on 01/18/2002 5:47:50 AM PST by OldFriend
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"The cooling defies a trend spanning more than 100 years in which average land surface temperatures have increased worldwide by about 1 degree Fahrenheit. The scientists said Antarctica is the only continent that is cooling. They could not say why."

Maybe because the supposed warming trend everywhere else is a statistical artifact. Urban areas are warmer than rural areas; this is a known fact, and doesn't represent anything more sinister than the thermal mass of acres and acres of paved blacktop roads and black tarpaper roofs. Most temperature monitoring stations are in urban areas, for all the obvious reasons. So, not surprisingly, as urbanization has increased over the past 100 years, so have average recorded temperatures.

Even monitoring the same station over time won't work, as once-rural stations become urbanized, and other stations once in small urban areas become further and further from the edge of the heat island. To get accurate readings, you have to look at temperature records from measuring stations far away from any growing urban areas. Antarctica is the only continent where such stations exist in any quantity, and lo, Antarctica is the only continent where there's a cooling trend rather than a warming one. Imagine that.

18 posted on 01/18/2002 6:20:27 AM PST by Fabozz
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To: ImaGraftedBranch
To think these arrogant souls think God would allow man to mess us the world to the point it cannot regenerate itself. Oh the poor things, think we have the ability to "wear" a hole in the ozone and MAKE THE WORLD HOT. LOL
19 posted on 01/18/2002 2:34:39 PM PST by tillacum
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Baseball guy, sealskin coats are ok, but NOT polar bear colars, use wolverine, ice and snow do not stick to it. Whale fat tastes like almonds and the meat with "Hamburger Helper is great, of course a seaweed salad goes with this. It's good eatin'.
20 posted on 01/18/2002 2:41:47 PM PST by tillacum
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