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Senators take fresh look at Waco evidence
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | Thursday, January 17, 2002 | By Jon Dougherty

Posted on 01/16/2002 11:04:13 PM PST by JohnHuang2

A small group of senators is set to take a fresh look at materials that cast doubt on former special counsel John Danforth's conclusion that FBI agents did not fire on Branch Davidians who were fleeing their burning Mount Carmel complex outside of Waco, Texas, nearly nine years ago.

A spokesman in the Tempe, Ariz., office of Republican Sen. John McCain confirmed that he has been given "a tape" as well as a summation of findings "submitted by another individual" that refute Danforth's November 2000 report, where the former Missouri senator concluded "with complete certainty that the government did not direct gunfire at the Branch Davidian complex. ..."

Tom McCanna, an aide to McCain, told WorldNetDaily that he is currently examining the materials.

"I'm just now finishing up my review of the tape and this document, and I'm going to send it up to Washington [D.C.] within the next few weeks," he said.

When asked about McCain's plans for the materials, McCanna quickly said, "No one has decided to do anything. They don't even know anything about this. This is all premature," he added, noting that even his boss didn't know he was looking at the materials. "They will figure out where they need to go with it."

Without naming names, McCanna said, "There are other senators looking at" the materials as well.

One source familiar with the events said the renewed interest in Danforth's conclusions could be related to reforming an FBI hurt by years of scandals.

"This is all being done in the context of renewed interest in cleaning up the FBI," said the source, who asked not to be identified.

Danforth was assigned by then-Attorney General Janet Reno in 1999 to take one final look at allegations that FBI agents shot at fleeing Davidians. As part of that effort, he staged a recreation of the assault in March 2000 at Fort Hood, Texas.

One of his mandates was to see if flashes of light picked up by an aircraft-mounted FBI infrared camera during the final assault in 1993 were agents firing their weapons at fleeing Davidians.

Infrared and weapons experts who saw the tape identified the flashes as gunfire, but the government has long maintained the flashes, called "glint," were reflections of sunlight off debris.

After the fire, government officials said some of the 80-plus Davidians who burned to death were found with gunshot wounds to their heads. The FBI maintained that some Davidians committed suicide or were shot by other members of the group.

When he issued his final report in November 2000, Danforth backed the FBI, noting that his recreation proved "that the government did not direct gunfire" at Davidians.

Said to be part of the materials currently under examination by McCain's office, WorldNetDaily has obtained a copy of a draft report criticizing Danforth's conclusions and recreation. The report, whose author requests anonymity, also suggests that many of the conditions present at Waco in 1993 were not present in the March 2000 recreation.

"If considered individually, the numerous errors that riddle the [March 2000] Danforth 'Waco Recreation' might be consistent simply with massive incompetence," said the draft report. "But when all of these errors are considered cumulatively, it becomes much more difficult to accept the 'bumbling idiot' explanation."

The report goes on to say Danforth's conclusions that FBI agents did not fire at Davidians "is more suggestive of an intentionally rigged test, and thus of a continuing cover-up of the Waco tragedy by the very persons who were charged with finding the answers" to lingering questions.

Fatal flaws?

The firm Danforth employed to help stage the recreation and analyze FLIR – forward-looking infrared – videotape of staged gunfire "had never before been hired" for that task, the draft report said.

The company, Vector, of Great Britain, "is a wholly-controlled subsidiary of a firm (Anteon Inc.) which draws a majority of its income from contracts with the U.S. government, whose customers include the Justice Department and the BATF (Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms)," the draft charged, and "was neither expert nor independent."

Those charges echo earlier ones made by Waco documentary filmmaker Michael McNulty and others in a series of exclusive WND reports last year, in which McNulty – citing his own findings as well as those of other experts – claimed that Danforth's test was rigged.

McNulty said Danforth's team used the wrong weapons and ammunition to stage the recreation and failed to adequately reproduce dust conditions, all of which combined to reduce gunfire signatures on Danforth's infrared tape when compared to the FBI's original.

"Determining whether the flashes were gunshots keyed to a large degree on determining the brightness, size and duration of gunshot flashes," the draft report stated. "The FBI riflemen at Waco were issued civilian ammunition. The Danforth 'recreation' protocol called for use of the same ammunition that [was] used at Waco. Instead, someone substituted military ammunition treated with a flash retardant composition. ..."

Also, the report said, FBI agents at Waco were carrying carbine versions of the M-16 rifle, but shooters in Danforth's recreation "were instead issued a standard M-16" with a longer barrel. Carbines tend to produce more flash, experts say.

Environmental conditions were also questioned.

"Dust is an important variable in a test of this type," the draft said. "Experiments have demonstrated that airborne dust greatly increases the size, intensity and duration of a gunshot flash as seen by a FLIR sensor."

Noting that conditions at Waco were "quite dusty," the draft report said Danforth's team took "exceptional measures ... to suppress dust" during the recreation, such as saturating the test area with water, then keeping it "covered with tarps until the test was ready to begin. ..."

"No explanation has ever been given for these measures," the report states.

McNulty, a court-sanctioned weapons expert, also told WND in the past that the flashes on the FBI infrared tape could not be sunlight "glint" because the "cyclic rate" of reflection is too rapid.

Danforth impartial?

Others have questioned whether Danforth was ever in a position to be impartial.

Appointed by President Bush to be special envoy to Sudan in September, Danforth also was recently asked by troubled Enron auditor Arthur Andersen, LLP "to conduct an immediate and comprehensive review of Andersen's records management policy and to recommend improvements," the Associated Press reported last week.

Also, at the time he was asked to re-examine Waco-related charges, Danforth was being considered as a running mate for George W. Bush. That lone fact, believes Mike Caddell, an attorney for surviving Branch Davidians, should have disqualified him.

"I think Danforth is a very ambitious person, and I always distrust someone who says they are not ambitious and yet seems to pursue ambitious goals," Caddell said.

"At the same time that he was claiming that he had no interest in political office, he was spending hours with Bush interviewing for the job of vice president."

Danforth's recreation was held in March 2000; by May, Bush was contemplating him as a running mate.

"He had his people working around the clock in May [2000] so he could get his report out and eliminate that as an obstacle to his becoming Bush's running mate," said Caddell. "When he issued that report, he believed he would become Bush's running mate."

Caddell said that alone doesn't prove that Danforth consciously covered up wrongdoing, "but does it mean that he dug as deeply as he could have?"

"It was easier for him, if he was to have any shot at becoming Bush's running mate, to not author a report that was going to be critical of the Justice Department and the FBI," Caddell said. "He could not go into a campaign with that cloud hanging over his ability to work with those people."

"At the same time he was examining the ethics and morals of the FBI and the Justice Department, he himself was compromised," he added. "Inevitably, no matter how moral a person you are, you cannot help but have that influence you. Were they going to issue a report that said that high FBI officials and lawyers with the Justice Department should be criminally prosecuted? No – and they didn't."

Recommendations

The draft report lists four recommendations for action to reverse what its authors believe were a series of "biases" in Danforth's recreation.

The authors recommend a new recreation be conducted "in Texas ... with non-federal family member[s] presiding." Also, any new recreation "must incorporation all of the principles illustrated in [McNulty's third documentary film] The F.L.I.R. Project, conform to a proper scientific protocol, and be observed by all concerned parties and the press."

Also, the results of any new recreation "must be published for any interested party to view freely," though authors did not list how or where results should be posted.

"Depending on the results," the authors said, "further investigations or criminal referrals may be warranted. ..."

Finally, the report suggested that "an appropriate congressional committee" investigate Danforth's recreation "and the firm which conducted it," with an eye toward disciplinary actions.

"A U.S. district court was induced, by Mr. Danforth's staff, to accept a supposedly impartial and expert firm as a witness for the court," the draft report said. "The firm was paid considerable sums for meeting a fixed protocol, and yet violated its most critical elements..."

"Offenses which may merit investigation," the draft continued, "include obstruction of justice, perjury, filing false information with federal agencies or departments, and violations of the False Claims Act."



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To: _Jim
Optics expert rebuts Waco standoff report
61 posted on 01/17/2002 2:26:39 PM PST by Tymesup
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To: thinden
"Appointed by President Bush to be special envoy to Sudan in September, Danforth also was recently asked by troubled Enron auditor Arthur Andersen, LLP "to conduct an immediate and comprehensive review of Andersen's records management policy and to recommend improvements," the Associated Press reported last week."
62 posted on 01/17/2002 2:27:13 PM PST by monkeywrench
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To: _Jim
Sorry _Jim - no FLIR expert outside those retained by Danforth, including some of the people who designed FLIR, including British soldiers who used FLIR in Northern Ireland to identify the gunfire of terrorists, agree with that assessment. Most of them say that FLIR catching reflections is nonsense and that the flashes are gunfire.

In addition, I know several Texas journalists who attended the recreation and were blowing huge holes in the methodology of the recreators. The plane carrying the FLIR was several hundred feet higher or lower than the plane that originally filmed on 4/19/93, and completely different guns were used.

Side by side comparison of the original FLIR tape and the reenactment tape reveal that they look nothing alike.

The massacred innocents at Waco have never received justice. I fear they never will.

63 posted on 01/17/2002 2:29:38 PM PST by motexva
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To: thinden
I'm sorry, did you mean the comment about Buddy Young? I read it on one of the many threads here, on Waco. Stuck in my mind because clinton seemed to map things out well ahead of time.
64 posted on 01/17/2002 2:32:12 PM PST by monkeywrench
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To: Ragin1
I agree with that statement that America hasn't had a president since Reagan. This Robert Kocher is a good writer. There's something terribly wrong in our country. I know the Bush' are noble compared to Clinton, but things are not right in our country.
65 posted on 01/17/2002 2:40:37 PM PST by Red Jones
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To: Ragin1
FYI--

Return to Ruby Ridge-- SNAFU? Or Summary Execution?

66 posted on 01/17/2002 2:59:16 PM PST by backhoe
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To: monkeywrench
I was wondering where you heard that bubba tasked buddy to sniff around waco?
67 posted on 01/17/2002 4:19:38 PM PST by thinden
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Read it again--McCain didn't even KNOW about this at the time his aide was interviewed.

When asked about McCain's plans for the materials, McCanna quickly said, "No one has decided to do anything. They don't even know anything about this. This is all premature," he added, noting that even his boss didn't know he was looking at the materials. "They will figure out where they need to go with it."

My guess is he knows about it now and he's probably busy figuring how to derail it. The good news is that other Senators have received it as well. My second guess is that this aide's job is in danger since he has now been revealed as an honest American looking to see the truth come out. I'm not sure that can be tolerated in McCain's office since he has changed sides (tho not parties as of yet).

68 posted on 01/17/2002 4:26:42 PM PST by Sal
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To: thinden
It was one of those Waco links. I'm going to go back through and see if I can find it. (Probably tomorrow.)
69 posted on 01/17/2002 4:37:07 PM PST by monkeywrench
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To: monkeywrench
the truth need to come out!
70 posted on 01/17/2002 6:38:17 PM PST by expose
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To: Ragin1
You know, one of these days the feds are gonna go up against someone who is trained, prepared and motivated, and there will be some open billets in the govt.

I have seen the videos presented as "evidence" and I come to some conclusions:

The Davidians were not shooting at the feds at anytime during the initial raid. If I had been part of that group, there would have been a lot of dead feds that were hiding behind the concealment of a Chevy sedan less than 200 yards from the compound. See any bullet noles in those cars?

Having seen the flir tapes that were considered by the govt, I can only say that flir picks up heat via the infrared wavelength. Reflections, if they give off any heat at all, would be miniscule as compared to the ball of fire that exits the barrel of a gun. I don't need any more convincing than that. The feds were shooting at the Davidians as they were trying to escape the burning buildings.

I don't want to hear from any agents who were there and participated or at a minimum stood by while this atrocity took place. All they had to do was make an attempt to stop the raid or at least see to it that the truth came out. They are all guilty as far as I'm concerned.

Some day the paybacks for this are gonna be a bitch.

71 posted on 01/17/2002 7:17:40 PM PST by wcbtinman
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To: backhoe
Thanks backhoe. I'm not up for wading through it again tonite. It all needs to be said though. When will the progressives give 1 thought to a hard right, white man's civil rights?
72 posted on 01/17/2002 7:23:11 PM PST by Ragin1
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To: OKCSubmariner
Thank you very much for the flag! Added to my bookmarks.
73 posted on 01/17/2002 7:28:46 PM PST by Prodigal Daughter
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To: OKCSubmariner
Thanks for the connection. Please keep me posted.
74 posted on 01/17/2002 7:37:09 PM PST by nunya bidness
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To: poet
bump
75 posted on 01/18/2002 11:00:51 AM PST by kimosabe31
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To: thinden
Although the name Buddy Young still sticks in my mind with this, I got this, "Reagon.com 3/6/97 “…Little known connections between the Little Rock Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms staff and the assault on the Branch Davidians in Waco, Texas may eventually also become a matter of interest in the investigations. Bill Buford, AFT chief in Little Rock since 1976, began assisting a dormant investigation into the Branch Davidians in Waco on January 1, 1993, twenty days before Bill Clinton was inaugurated. On February 23, Democrat Congressman Charles Schumer introduced the Brady Bill. Five days later, on February 28, 1993, Bill Buford led "Assault Team One," which consisted of his own men from Little Rock, into the Branch Davidian Home….”" 'http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/a38e02c0f0766.htm'
76 posted on 01/18/2002 11:13:27 AM PST by monkeywrench
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To: monkeywrench; HAL9000
I remember that this was another one of buford's attempted ambushes, but don't remember any mention of buddy being involved.
77 posted on 01/19/2002 7:16:00 AM PST by thinden
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To: Aurelius
We have the little old lady in the hamburger commercials of that period saying the famous line "Where's the beef?" When it come's to the Government defending it's actions, I've got to say "Where's the front door?" Until the crime of removing that door from the area is investigated and all the people involved identified along with their motives revealed, I'm not interested in hearing anything else the Government has to say. WHERE'S THE FRONT DOOR?????
78 posted on 01/20/2002 10:28:55 AM PST by James Lewis
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To: Black Jade
The real question is: Will we see ANOTHER Exec. Order for Fed law enforcement not to co-operate with Congressional investigators? Judging from the past, I think so. They cover each others butts, folks. Not being cynical, rather, I'm being realistic.

Those government goons should have been in prison long ago, unfortunately, Americans have been dumbed down over the last 40 years and have become jaded and accepting of basement values.

80 posted on 01/21/2002 9:21:30 AM PST by poet
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