Curious About Freeper's Views Of Joyce Meyer

onedoug ^ | 12 DEC 2001 | onedoug

[onedoug]

"You got me plum-hypnotized," Elmer Gantry says to Sister Sharon Falconer in that film/novel.

Is that the case with me over Joyce Meyer?

She seems pretty good at down-home preachin'. And while not a classic beauty, she yet ministers out a fair amount sex appeal, along with the word.

(I think, ultimately, it's those Texas/Missouri eyes.)

I post this to philosophy since, as I know she has a fair amount of, at least internet detractors, it yet seems that her ability to project the Word, is as anchored in the integrity of faith as any other TV preacher I can recall.

...Except perhaps the late Bishop Fulton J Sheen.

In short though, Meyer lately fascinates me, and I'm curious what other Freepers may think. Particularly Evangelicals!

Thanks, and Merry Christmas to All!

[week 71]

I curious, in Peter's interpretion how does he imply physical healing may be applicable to Isaiah, which even the context of Isaiah is talking about sin.

[tutstar]

bump for later

[Simcha7]

Shalom!

Dear Fellow Freepers...

"Pretty Good Down Home Preaching"...Not So Fast There Buddy!

In my Opinion, Joyce Meyer is:

* Full Of Herself and has an Ego to match

* Promotes many Heretical Views and Beliefs

* Twists and Interprets Holy Scripture to suit her own selfish/money making purposes

* Joyce is wrapped up in the Name IT, Claim IT..."Word Of Faith" movement.

* Comes very close in Substance and Style to another Big Time Heretical Teacher/Preacher/Prophet: Benny Hinn

* Joyce believes and teaches that The Redemption wrought On The Cross by Jesus Christ IS NOT SUFFICIENT and that Jesus had to GO Down Into HELL and FINISH His Redemptive Work In HELL!

***That IS HERETICAL!****

The Holy Scriptures DO NOT TEACH That!

When Jesus Christ said..."IT IS FINISHED!"

That's It...HIS REDEMPTIVE WORK WAS FINISHED FOR ALL ETERNITY!!!

Please my dear Fellow Freepers: Do Not Be Led Astray by Heretical Teachers/Preachers/Prophets.

PRAY and Ask The Holy Spirit to Help You to Understand GOD'S HOLY WORD...HE WILL Open Your Heart, Mind and Eyes to THE TRUTH! THIS IS HIS JOB and HE Does NOT Lie like Sin Filled men and women.

"For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. They will turn their ears away from the Truth and turn aside to myths."

( 2 Timothy 4:3-4 ).

It's Later than we think...God's Time Clock is Ticking!

May The Holy One Of Israel Bless and Keep All Of You!

[Bsnider]

1 Timothy 2:11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection. 1 Timothy 2:12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.

[week 71]

BTW, the case for healing does not rest on II Peter 2:24 or any one single verse. It is a Biblical truth found throughout the Bible and throughout God's dealings with man.

I agree with the above. Listen my argument is not that God does not still heal. The whole discussion started about correct interpretation. To say Isaiah 53:6 has to do with physical healing is just simply mistaken. Isaiah makes it clear the Messiah will heal, however not in that passage. I wish you both well and a spirit filled life.

[onedoug]

Paul's episitles to Timothy and letters to the Corinthians are, respectfully, but interpretation.

The gospel accounts of Christ's apostles abandoning him, with only women at the cross and tomb, consistently drives, and I believe, reinforces the role of women as the first christian witnesses. I couldn't deny any spirit filled person theirs.

[Doctor Raoul]

It just seems to me that those kind of things are trivial at the least. Most of them I learned to control from my Mother's instruction and my Dad's discipline.

"Mom" and "Dad" are just social constructs that are destructive to your healthy self-esteem don't you know.....

[Doctor Raoul]

One thing I disagree with a lot of modern teachers on is the "nobody's perfect" opinion.

One of the left's best weapons comes from Saul Alinsky, one of Hillary's teachers.

It says hold the other side to their own rules because nobody's perfect.

But as others have pointed out in different ways here, I'd rather do business with someone who believes in telling the truth and sometimes fails, than someone who just doesn't know how to tell the truth. The odds are on your side in that.

[onedoug]

#123: I'll bear your points in mind, and soul.

Shalom, and Merry Christmas to you.

[onedoug]

It was Lindsay Graham 'said, "If you tell the truth, you don't have to worry about what you say."

[onedoug]

#100: Ceasar crossed the Rubicon River in northern Italy in 49BC, giving the Civil War with Pompey to fate, as with all things since, once crossed, never to return, nor falter in resolve.

The sense of Dickinson is that one word reference in a letter by her brother to his mistress, putting the seal on their adulterous affair.

[Clintons Are White Trash]

You must be a close neighbor - I'm just a few miles from her new office also!

I have been to some of her meetings, I attended the same church she does so I am somewhat familiar with the basis of her beliefs. I have always found her to be encouraging and strong - she has an ability to get through to people.

I will not profess to know the details of her doctrine or defend it.

At the time her new building was being finished, she also moved into a new home that is in a pretty nice neighborhood and had quite a bit of work done on it before moving in. I have to admit it does bother me when ministers do that, but I don't know if there is anything biblical to back that up.

[Clintons Are White Trash]

What's her cup size?

Joyce had breast cancer over 10 years ago and had a mastectomy - I hardly think this is an appropriate question

[StacyMac]

It is obvious to me that you are not a disciple of the Word, but more a disciple of Hank Hanegraff and all the other modern pharisees. Believing the Word and using your faith to implement it into your life is not new age. Speaking to the mountain in your life is not new age. Your words when mixed with your God-given faith have the power to change circumstances. Without faith it is impossible to please Him. Doctrine that comes out of the "Calvary, Chuck Smith" camp are making well intentioned believers throw up their hands when problems come and question God's intentions. I have seen it all too often. Word of Faith is by no means perfect, but none of us are. It's just that some of us live by faith rather than reason.

[onedoug]

It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God.
(Matt. 19:23,24)

Though in #81 above, BallandPowder says he worked for her ministry, and claims she really does believe and that she tithes to 20% to other ministries throughout the world.

Business and Faith. God and Caesar.

I've sure learned a lot from this thread.

[week 71]

Well I can't say I appreciate you attacking me personally, however that is your constitutional right. Mr. Hanegraff has an interesting show but I find myself parting with alot of is opionions. I know faith teachers say the man is going to hell and of course there is the false prophecies they said that God was going to strike him dead.

I all have to say is when someone in those churches doesn't get healed do not say "well you didn't have enough faith" while Price takes his wife to the hospital for cancer. I've been to two Hinn crusades where the people in wheel chairs leave devasted still in their chairs because "they don't have enough faith. That is what digusts me about Faith teachers.

I'll go on trusting Jesus for salvation and trusting his will for my life, while I'm sure the faith teachers will continue in Hinn's belief "Never, ever,ever go to the Lord and say 'If it be thy will' don't allow such faith destroying words to be spoken from your mouth." Have a Merry Christmas.

[Binghamton_native]

Amen to your posts on the subject of healing. The problem that I as a non-charismatic Christian have with the Charismatic church is what seems to be an over reliance on emotion and "feelings". There is a place for emotion and feelings, but our salvation is based on the facts of the Word of God, not our feelings.

[ghostkatz]

I have purchased many of her teaching tape sets and found them to be the most practical, word-grounded teachings I have encountered. She is a no-non sense person...you need to learn about her life, the horrible abuse she endured as a child to understand where she is coming from, she comes across rather strongly at times...but I like her. As a woman I have benefited from her teachings..I can really relate to her.

[11th Earl of Mar]

I believe that Isaiah 53 DOES include healing in its meaning. There are many Bible commentaries which claim this passage concerns only SPIRITUAL healing, but I turn instead to the commentary written by Matthew [and the Holy Spirit] which interprets this passage to include physical healing along with the other obviously important parts of the attonement.

One can claim that he believes that God CAN still heal today. But that is a far cry from one having faith that he WILL [or in reality HAS] healed us.

Any man on the street who claims to "believe in God" [whatever that means to him] will most likely also believe that God CAN heal today. But that is not faith, and certainly not what it takes to receive that promise from God.

Also, you claim that the people who believe in "prosperity" often tend to be the poor people in our society. I don't think it is wise to determines one's theology based on one's experience.

That's as bad as the people claiming that it is God's will for some people to die based on the death of one of their 'spiritual' relatives. Maybe its a very touching story but it is not the best way to determine Bible doctrine.