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The Jeb Bush Nobody Knows - Part 7: FL's 'Other' Voucher Program, for Students with Disabilities
Responses to this Jeb series, from The Daytona Beach News-Journal's forum ^ | Dec. 19, 2001 | summer

Posted on 12/19/2001 5:02:04 AM PST by summer

The Jeb Bush Nobody Knows - Part 7: Florida's 'Other' Voucher Program, for Students with Disabilities

Written by: summer - a former Dem, now an independent, and a FL certified teacher


Folks, our objective today is to discern the difference between fact and opinion, especially when an opinion is not supported by fact.

Yesterday I was surprised to read two comments from people under the mistaken impression that special education students with disabilities have received no attention whatsoever from Governor Bush.

The first comment I read was from a poster at a Daytona Beach newspaper site, linked on the above source link. A FR poster sent me this URL, to show me the first six parts of this Jeb Nobody Knows editorial series -- about new financial benefits for teachers -- has been posted on this newspaper's forum.

And, the responses to this editorial series include a poster who dismissed all the new laws I cited, claiming such new laws are the result of "infatuation." I have no idea what that poster was talking about, but I noticed the person also alleged nothing was being done by Gov. Bush to help the disabled - a false claim, and an opinion not supported by fact.

The second comment I read, repeating this false claim, was here on FR, from a FL poster who wrongly believes disabled students in FL are stuck being mainstreamed in public school classes without any alternative. Again, wrong. His opinion is not supported by the facts and law cited below.

As for my own feelings on this subject of parental choice and vouchers for special ed students -- I am not the parent of a disabled child, so I am not qualified to speak about the experiences such parents have with respect to public schools. However, I have briefly taught such students as a substitute, and my best friend is a special ed teacher in a public school. My own feeling is there is no job more difficult in the public school system than teaching disabled students, period. My friend, and other special ed teachers I know in the public schools, is truly dedicated to these students.

Yet, in my teacher-training program at school, I've also met several disabled students' parents who were training to become regular ed public school teachers - and, they were not at all happy with the public school environment for their disabled children.

If such a parent -- who is willing to become a public school teacher -- is not happy with the quality of education provided by the public school, then, I have to conclude other options need to be provided. The new law signed by Governor Bush provides vouchers to these parents to explore other options.

Since Gov. Bush passed this new law in conjunction with a long list of other steps he took to support and improve the public school system, I can support this law, as I do not believe he abandoned public schools.

Here are three articles on the progress of this new program, signed into law by Gov. Bush to help disabled students, by giving parents another option: scholarships / vouchers for private schools. Also, because this program started as a pilot program, serving just 2 parents of disabled students, and, now, 14,000 parents in FL have expressed an interest, my opinion is this new program is very much in demand. And, IMO, Gov. Bush's people make a big mistake by omitting mention of this popular program on his campaign web site.

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Article #1, May 2000 - From Education Week: "Bill Offering Vouchers To Disabled Passes in Fla."

Excerpt: "…Gov. Jeb Bush is expected to sign a bill this month that would broaden the program by letting students with disabilities transfer to private schools if their public schools fail to meet their needs.

When the state's plan for offering publicly financed tuition vouchers to students at failing public schools became law last June, a smaller trial was also approved for students with special needs in Sarasota County. Since then, two disabled students have taken advantage of the pilot program."


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Article #2, August 2001 - From Education Week: "Florida's 'Other' Voucher Program Taking Off"

Excerpt: "Between May, when the legislature passed the new law, and late June, the first deadline for the program, Ms. McCain's office received about 14,000 calls from parents. Parents wishing to take part in the program must apply at least 60 days before they want to use the vouchers."

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Article #3, December 2001 - The News Mexico.Com, written by AP reporter: "Too early to gauge vouchers for U.S. schools"

Excerpt: "In Florida, children with disabilities are eligible for vouchers of nearly $7,000 - about 3,900 students are enrolled this fall."

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Also:

To read the new law, Senate Bill SB 1180sr, click here.

And, for more information about how to enroll in this voucher / scholarship program,click here

Finally, because I have seen so few publications like Education Week publicly mention FL parents who like what Gov. Bush is doing in education, I'm posting the aforementioned Article #2 in its entirety, below:


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American Education's Newspaper of Record

August 8, 2001

Florida's 'Other' Voucher Program Taking Off

By Lisa Fine
Education Week

When Dorian and Paul Neidhart went house-hunting in Miami 13 years ago, their search focused on the neighborhood where they had grown up. They wanted their own children, someday, to go to the same public schools that had meant so much to them.

The couple settled into a house in the Pine Crest area-four doors away from Paul's boyhood home. When the time came, they enrolled their daughter, Meghan, who has a learning disability, in Coral Reef Elementary School, the same school both parents had attended.

But nostalgia and reality have since parted ways. Big class sizes overwhelmed Meghan. And her schedule, a conglomeration of regular and special education classes, was chaotic and counterproductive, the Neidharts found. Meghan would be pulled out in the middle of a lesson to work with specialists, then be returned as the rest of the class was well into a science class.

"I'm all for inclusive classes, but it wasn't right for my daughter," Ms. Neidhart said. "When a child is lost in the classroom, that child is losing a year of learning. Something's got to be done."

What the Neidharts did, with the financial help of a little-known pilot voucher program begun in Florida two years ago for students with disabilities, was move their daughter to a private school. The program will expand to serve thousands more students like Meghan, now age 9, in the coming school year. Quietly, it has become the larger of the state's two voucher programs. Eventually, it could become the largest in the United States.

In the past two years, the program was overshadowed by Florida's other, more closely watched voucher system, for students who attend schools designated as "failing" by the state. President Bush patterned his national school choice proposal after that program, the only statewide plan of its kind. So far, though, Florida's general voucher plan has aided only students from two Pensacola elementary schools.

Meanwhile, a bill signed into law in May by Gov. Jeb Bush of Florida, the president's brother, has now removed limitations on who may use the vouchers for students with disabilities. That means any of the 350,000 such students in the state are eligible under the program known as the John M. McKay Scholarships for Students With Disabilities, named after the Florida Senate president who established it.

Officials expect about 4,000 students to participate this fall, four times the number who received aid in 2000-01. That could make the McKay program second in size nationally to the Milwaukee voucher program, which expects more than 9,600 students this fall. In Cleveland, about 3,900 low-income students received vouchers from the state last year. Officials said no estimate for the fall was available.

No New 'Failing' Schools

While the Florida tuition program for students with disabilities gears up for an influx of participants, the state's flagship voucher effort will see no growth, given the way eligibility for the program is determined.

Florida's school report card did not contain any "failing" schools this year, leaving no new students eligible for the general voucher program for the second year in a row. ("Fla. Schools Get Better Report Cards," July 12, 2000.) A school must receive an F for two out of four years to be labeled failing and thus allow parents whose children attend it to be eligible for publicly financed tuition vouchers. Those parents can use the vouchers, worth about $3,600 each, to send their children to public schools with better ratings or to private schools, including religious schools.

Seventy-eight schools received an F grade two years ago, according to the Florida Department of Education's Choice Office. But none of them got the grade a second time. From the two Pensacola schools that previously had two failing years, 51 students received state vouchers for private school tuition, and 84 students chose to go to another public school. Once the students qualify for the failing-schools program, they are entitled to receive the vouchers every year through their K-12 educations, even if their home public school improves its grade.

The stalled regular voucher program has people from both sides of the issue claiming success.

"The better-known program in Florida is an interesting model in that it does work to fix public schools," said Chester E. Finn Jr., the president of the Thomas B. Fordham Foundation, a Washington think tank. "The other schools got the message."

But Kathleen Lyons, a spokeswoman for the National Education Association, said the absence of more failing schools last year did not prove that vouchers help improve public schools. She said other measures tied to the state program did the trick. The state gives financial and other aid to schools that get an F to help them improve.

"I find it obnoxious to suggest that a teacher is going to work harder and a school will be better because of a threat of vouchers," she said. "The Florida education community has been working for years to develop proposals to turn around schools. ... The extra assistance given to the schools that are at risk of failing certainly helped. You can't have good schools without spending money."

14,000 Calls

Under the McKay scholarship program for students with disabilities, parents can receive vouchers regardless of how their child's school performs in the eyes of the state. Parents of a child with disabilities who believe that the school is not meeting his or her needs are eligible to receive vouchers that are worth either what the school district pays in annual costs for that child or the price of tuition to a private school, whichever is cheaper.

The average value of the vouchers for students in the program is around $6,000 a year. For the school year that just ended, the state spent $5.8 million on vouchers for about 1,000 students with disabilities, who could choose from any other public school or 100 private schools approved by the state.

There are now 324 private schools eligible to receive such students, said Diane McCain, the director of the Florida Department of Education's office on school choice. The program began in 1999 as a pilot project with just two students.

Between May, when the legislature passed the new law, and late June, the first deadline for the program, Ms. McCain's office received about 14,000 calls from parents. Parents wishing to take part in the program must apply at least 60 days before they want to use the vouchers.

As interest in the program increases, it has sparked some debate about whether the vouchers are good for students with disabilities.

Some opponents of the McKay scholarship program say it could encourage the creation all over Florida of schools not qualified to handle students with disabilities.

"There are very few accountability measures," said David Clark, a spokesman for the Florida Education Association. "It seems likely our private-sector entrepreneurs could open fly-by-night schools."

But Patrick J. Heffernan, the president of Floridians for School Choice, disagreed that schools must report to government or inevitably become mediocre.

"This whole accountability issue is based on the presumption that if you are accountable to government authorities, then the taxpayer is well protected," he said. "Private schools are accountable to parents."

To accept McKay scholarship students, private schools must demonstrate that they are financially sound, comply with anti-discrimination laws, meet state health and safety codes, and employ teachers who hold bachelor's degrees or higher, or have at least three years of teaching experience, Ms. McCain said.

Questions also have surfaced about the McKay program's constitutionality. The Florida Education Association is a plaintiff in a lawsuit against the regular voucher program, contending that the use of public dollars for tuition at religious schools violates the U.S. Constitution's prohibition of a government establishment of religion. The pending case does not include the McKay program, however.

But Mr. Clark of the FEA said that should the union prevail in its lawsuit against the regular vouchers, he believes that the McKay program would likewise be unconstitutional.

But back in Miami's Pine Crest neighborhood, far below the plain of constitutional arguments, the issue is personal: What's best for my child?

Dorian Neidhart chose to send her daughter back this fall for a second year at Killian Oaks Academy, a Miami private school for students with mild to moderate learning disabilities.

"Before, I felt really lost, not knowing what to do with Meghan," Ms. Neidhart said. "Now I feel blessed that we are able to send her to a school like that." Meghan will be in the 4th grade in the coming school year.

John Shuster, a spokesman for the 361,000-student Miami-Dade County school system, said he could not discuss Meghan Neidhart's experience at Coral Reef Elementary School or the family's decision to use a voucher.

"I don't think a comment is appropriate," Mr. Shuster said. "If someone comes to us wanting a voucher, we work with the state to get them what they need."

Ms. Neidhart said she chose the private school because class sizes are between six and eight students, and each student is tested to determine his or her individual learning style and level.

Mercedes Ricon, the director for Killian Oaks Academy, said the McKay scholarship program's growth doesn't mean private schools stand to make a lot of taxpayer money. She said that tuition for the school is $13,500 a year, but that Meghan's school district paid about $5,000. The school covered the rest of her tuition with their own scholarships.

"We tested Meghan, and she does best with hands-on activities," Ms. Ricon added. "She is a tactile-visual learner. She had always been a painter at home. By incorporating art in her classes, she could develop confidence. She needed that strength to be incorporated into her learning experience."

According to her mother, Meghan has thrived at the school. "She is a new child," Ms. Neidhart said. "Her self-esteem has soared. She has come up in all areas."

Funding for this story was provided in part by the Ford Foundation, which helps underwrite coverage of the changing definition of public schooling.


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To: summer
This is an interesting article, but I find some things about it disturbing. It seems that there is a great deal of pressure to put labels on kids, and that this program might encourage that practice. Hypothetically, if a child can be a slow learner without necessarily having some real disability. If the child's parents are patient, make some sacrifices, and keep the child involved and moving forward, the child can succeed. In most cases, I believe that the extra expenses associated with this situation, including private schooling, should be the responsibility of the parents. (I've had vision problems from the time I was two or three years old. Those problems resulted in more expenses for my parents, and we had to make sacrifices. However, I don't think that the taxpayers should have been paying for my needs.)

This program seems as if it would give the parents an incentive to find some label to stick on the kid so that the family can qualify for a voucher. Parents who realize that they should be providing for their child would still be making the sacrifices while others would be looking here and there for an expert to label their kid so that they could take advantage of this new entitlement.

The young lady in the photograph appears to be more severely disabled, and I don't have a problem with extra assistance for her family. Most states have been providing some kind of assistance like that for years, although I think private charities could hande these situations as well as the government can. Obviously, the program is going to be popular politically, but I still have misgivings.

WFTR
Bill

141 posted on 12/20/2001 8:26:15 AM PST by WFTR
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To: AmishDude; MudBoySlim
I think a major idea from Gov. Bush has been to truly help public schools to improve. Again, believe it or not, some parents will CHOOSE public schools, and consequently, for that reason alone, public schools have a valid place in the mix of educational options.
142 posted on 12/20/2001 8:41:04 AM PST by summer
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To: Amore
Amore, I was thinking more about your sister-in-law and your statement that she may want your nephew to attend a different public middle school than the one he would be assigned.

Here is info I found about what I was referring to, which is the right of parents throughout FL, through their local school districts, to have their child attend the public school of their choice. These would be good links to forward to your sister-in-law:

Click here for information about Public School Choice, and a FL statute requiring each local school district to develop their own "controlled open enrollment plan" for public schools, to provide parents choice in choosing a public school.

Click here for more info on District School Choice.
143 posted on 12/20/2001 8:44:25 AM PST by summer
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To: summer
Thanks, summer, I forwarded on some of your info to my sister-in-law last night. I'll go check on your new links right now.
144 posted on 12/20/2001 8:47:28 AM PST by Amore
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To: Eagle Eye; summer
"I'm not one who equates money with education. Kids managed to learn arithmatic and grammar before computers and state certified teachers with MS/MA degrees."

So true! My education was supplied by dedicated nuns many years ago. They didn't know about the PC thing called "ADD" or new math. They believed that it was their job to teach us what we needed to know, no matter what they had to do to get it into our hard little heads and it was our job to accept it.

Our little school didn't have federal aid, we didn't have all the accouterments of schools today, yet we all survived and did well in life.

145 posted on 12/20/2001 8:51:10 AM PST by IVote2
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To: WFTR
Re your post #141 -- Bill, you made some very thoughtful comments in your reply, and I intend to respond in detail when I have some more time. Thanks, summer :)
146 posted on 12/20/2001 8:54:02 AM PST by summer
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To: summer
Re my post #142 -- Another thing I would just like to politely point out is this: whenever someone tells me that ONE way is THE only way in education, I am uncomfortable.

While I certainly respect your right to your opinions, your belief that ONE way: the PRIVATE school way, is THE solution, sounds exactly like the Dem position that ONE way: the PUBLIC school way, is the solution.

I don't buy that from the Dems, and I don't buy it from the other side.

Education is one of those areas where lots of innovations, and lots of solutions, are possible and desirable, because there so many different elements coming into play.

Many parents are this forum have privately written to me and expressed extremely strong support for my view, above, because they themselves have been involved in a variety of educational solutions ALONG the way: homeschooling at one point, public school later on, and even private or charter schools. And, these highly experienced parents know that each "solution" has its up and down sides -- and, there are both benefits and problems in every method.
147 posted on 12/20/2001 8:59:23 AM PST by summer
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To: AMishDude, MudBoySlim
My post #147 was meant for you! :)
148 posted on 12/20/2001 8:59:56 AM PST by summer
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To: AMishDude, MudBoySlim
are this forum = on this forum
149 posted on 12/20/2001 9:01:31 AM PST by summer
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To: summer
ok, well your 2nd link shows that won't work. Orange County (a large county, which you'd think might have one) does not have such a plan. But I gather he'd still qualify for another public school under the McKay/disability option? I'll have to go back and review your original links.
150 posted on 12/20/2001 9:02:18 AM PST by Amore
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To: AmishDude, MudBoySlim
there so = there are so
151 posted on 12/20/2001 9:02:51 AM PST by summer
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To: Amore
But, go back to the first link Amore, because that link sounded to me like Orange COunty should have such a plan, and frankly, I am certain it does. Maybe that county is not on the list because it is not updates -- as I am certain Orange County does allow school choice (and, is required to under state staute, as in the first link).
152 posted on 12/20/2001 9:04:33 AM PST by summer
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To: Amore
I meant to say that list of 18 counties may not be updated, or, that plan in those 18 counties is in addition to an existing plan of choice.
153 posted on 12/20/2001 9:05:24 AM PST by summer
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To: summer
"...full privatization of K-12 Education"

"Not me, Mudboy. Did you know that President Bush sent his daughters to public high schools in Texas? Do you think that's because he couldn't afford to send them to private schools? Or, is it because he and First Lady Bush were happy with the quality of education in those public schools?"

Hey...I went to public schools, too...there are certainly many good ones out there, just not enough.

I misspoke when I said "full privatization", although I believe we'll eventually end up there. We can all agree that the Federal Guv'ment has no business whatsoever in the school system, right?! Ever since we've had the RAT-Punks do-nothings at the Dept. of Education, performance has steadily gone down...teachers don't need yet another level of bureaucracy and the DOE needs to be phased out as soon as possible, IMHO. States and localities--especially--need to work with the parents of the locality to provide educational options for the children/parents...but we must give the Power to Educate their Children back to the Parents!! That's what I'm talking about...if I've payed taxes all my life to help put other folks' kids through school in my area, then my kids reach school-age and I'm not satisfied with the local public school, I ought to have the opportunity to spend that money elsewhere for education. Before long, the educational options that would spring up would boggle the mind...and many/most of them would be the brainchild of teachers who know better methods of teaching their particular student base than some Centralized BureaucRAT regulation-writer.

"Not all private schools are great."

I never said--or implied that...however, a big difference being that Private Schools either succeed or they go outta business; while public schools can fail year after year after year and continue to pollute children's minds with nonsensical garbage.

"So, dream on about the illusion you have with respect to all schools being wonderful just because they are private."

No such illusion, my FRiend; however, Socialism fails every time it is tried and we now have a very Socialist K-12 Public Education System and seem confused that schools continue to perform below expectations despite huge expenditures in Taxpayer $$ and Effete Elite Expertise...ever-increasing amounts of competitive Capitalism will fix what the RATS never will, IMHO.

FReegards...MUD

154 posted on 12/20/2001 9:08:31 AM PST by Mudboy Slim
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To: Mudboy Slim
Thanks for your post, MS. :)

PS I don't believe for a minute we will ever end up with full privatization of schools.
155 posted on 12/20/2001 9:10:21 AM PST by summer
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To: Amore
Also, Amore --

Click here for FAQs on the vouchers/scholarships for students with disabilities.
156 posted on 12/20/2001 9:11:08 AM PST by summer
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To: Mudboy Slim
I never said--or implied that...however, a big difference being that Private Schools either succeed or they go outta business;

A huge misconception here, as private schools in FL are not regulated at all. (Unless they agree to participate in one of these voucher programs, as then they need meet certain guidelines. Consequently, many private schools here want no part of these programs.)

All a private school in FL needs to do to stay in business is to have students paying tuition. That's it.
157 posted on 12/20/2001 9:13:54 AM PST by summer
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To: summer
Ok, this is from the 1st link:

In addition, while the statute clearly requires each district to submit a district plan of action for controlled open enrollment, the statute does not require any school district to implement their plan. Implementation is voluntary and is intended to be encouraged through an incentive program. The incentive grant program encouraging implementation has been developed by the Department of Education. Currently, there are eighteen districts participating in the Public School Choice Open Enrollment Incentive Grant Program.

That says to me that while they have to develop a plan with the components listed on that site, they DON'T have to implement it . . . . I need to go look at what the statute itself says.

158 posted on 12/20/2001 9:15:27 AM PST by Amore
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To: summer
It depends on geography and depends on the particular student. Super bright students are not well-served by public schools, for example. They need to be in an environment with other bright students. However, in New York City, they have public school academies for those students.

The vast majority of students are well-served by local schools, but market forces do wonderful things to force all participants to develop a better product.

159 posted on 12/20/2001 9:16:38 AM PST by AmishDude
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To: Mudboy Slim
Capitalism will fix what the RATS never will, IMHO.

Actually, MUD, I think stronger and better leadership, more communication with teachers between that leadership and teachers, and changes in other areas, such as increasing the marriage rate of blacks and having 2-parent homes, would do a lot to increase the success rate of public schools.

But, I agree with you that the Dem leadership has been out to lunch on many education issues for a VERY long time.
160 posted on 12/20/2001 9:17:27 AM PST by summer
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